Jian Ghomeshi

[Greebo]

I don't know if you Googled that phrase but that's what Ghomeshi apparently said before turning the teddy to face a wall and then abusing his victims. Grim.

Didn't google the phrase. Regardless of the presence of the large soft toy, it's grim. I wonder if there was a camera or recording equipment in it?

Either way, Ghomeshi seems to have been aware (at some level) that what he did nonconsensually was something to keep hidden.

 

[Pickman's model]

And where was Pudsey Bear when all this was going on?

on the children in need tour

 

[phildwyer]

So (no need for too much detail here) you'd hypothetically feel comfortable indulging in whatever kink you chose, with a large soft toy within your sightline and facing towards you?

That is my kink.

 

[Idris2002]

That is my kink.

 

[phildwyer]

Either way, Ghomeshi seems to have been aware (at some level) that what he did nonconsensually was something to keep hidden.

It's a bit of a giveaway innit.

Sounds to me like, having found some women who were into BDSM, he assumed that all women were. And/or due to his celebrity and arrogance didn't really care whether they were or not. Certainly didn't bother asking.

But what really gets me is that he made a career out of pretending to be a New Man.

Nauseating Ghomeshi quote from the Klein article: "The reason people like what we do is that there are so few young people doing political satire. When we played Voice of Women we were symbols of young progressive males. That gives them hope for the future."

http://www.shockandahh.com/2014/11/the-naomi-klein-takedown-of-jian.html

 

[Greebo]

<snip> he made a career out of pretending to be a New Man.

The last bit is probably the most damaging aspect for other men.

 

[DotCommunist]

Another dead giveaway is hearing a story, assuming its about you because you know you've done bad wrongs and so showing your employers your home made consensual bdsm sex tapes in order to stave of infamy, calumny and possible court time. What planet...

 

[phildwyer]

The last bit is probably the most damaging aspect for other men.

Not really. Just don't be a hypocrite is all.

 

[phildwyer]

Another dead giveaway is hearing a story, assuming its about you because you know you've done bad wrongs and so showing your employers your home made consensual bdsm sex tapes in order to stave of infamy, calumny and possible court time. What planet...

Innit. And then being surprised when your employer takes one look at your tapes and chucks you under the bus.

 

[Greebo]

That is my kink.

Well, at least it's one you don't indulge on here.

Innit. And then being surprised when your employer takes one look at your tapes and chucks you under the bus.

That depends on the workplace ethos (assuming that employees weren't expected to be 100% squeaky clean by conservative christian standards). If he thought the stuff on the tapes was entirely consensual and if he was convinced that he'd done nothing wrong to those other women (the ones groped etc without consent), he might have reasonably expected to be safe enough.

Those are two ridiculously large "if"s though. Arrogant, stupid, and self-deluded.

 

[phildwyer]

That depends on the workplace ethos (assuming that employees weren't expected to be 100% squeaky clean by conservative christian standards). If he thought the stuff on the tapes was entirely consensual and if he was convinced that he'd done nothing wrong to those other women (the ones groped etc without consent), he might have reasonably expected to be safe enough.

Not really, not when you read the women's accounts. It was much more than groping. And apart from the nine women who actually allege assault, several other women who went on dates with him, but didn't have sex with him, have chimed in to say that he acted weird and aggressive to them as well.

And all the time he was coming up with stuff like this:

 

[Buckaroo]

Arrogant, stupid, and self-deluded.

Dwyer or the DJ?

 

[Pickman's model]

Dwyer or the DJ?

take your pick

 

[Greebo]

Dwyer or the DJ?

Don't tempt me. The DJ, obviously.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Ghomeshi's radio program on the CBC, called 'Q', was arguably the best thing they had. Interesting topical interviews, a great mix of music.

When the scandal broke, everyone thought that it would be the end of Q, and maybe the end of the CBC.

But they got a new guy in - Tom Power - and he's pretty good. The show will be fine.

Further proof that no one is irreplaceable.

 

[Greebo]

<snip> It was much more than groping. And apart from the nine women who actually allege assault, several other women who went on dates with him, but didn't have sex with him, have chimed in to say that he acted weird and aggressive to them as well.

And all the time he was coming up with stuff like this:

People are amazing when it comes to rationalising the very definitely pisspoor choices they've made. He's merely outstanding in thinking that he'd get away with it, given his high profile.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

The feeling in Canada toward Ghomeshi can be compared to that in the US toward OJ Simpson: a man goes from being a beloved household name, to a reviled monster. One difference is that it took a murder trial, then a successful civil lawsuit for murder, to complete the public transformation of OJ. The Ghomeshi transformation process took about two weeks, if that long.

 

[Buckaroo]

No Bill Cosby thread?
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...al-abuse-allegations-with-comment-says-lawyer

 

[Greebo]

No Bill Cosby thread? <snip>

If he did it, I hope the court throws the book at him; if he didn't, I pity him as this will be difficult to live down, even if found not guilty.

 

[FNG]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/kateaurthur/the-bill-cosby-cosbymeme-hashtag-backfired-immediately

 

[phildwyer]

The feeling in Canada toward Ghomeshi can be compared to that in the US toward OJ Simpson: a man goes from being a beloved household name, to a reviled monster. One difference is that it took a murder trial, then a successful civil lawsuit for murder, to complete the public transformation of OJ. The Ghomeshi transformation process took about two weeks, if that long.

Do you reckon Ghomeshi will be brought to trial over this?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Do you reckon Ghomeshi will be brought to trial over this?

Perhaps, if any of those making allegations lay charges. The Toronto Police are investigating at the moment, apparently.

 

[phildwyer]

Ghomeshi's radio program on the CBC, called 'Q', was arguably the best thing they had. Interesting topical interviews, a great mix of music.

When the scandal broke, everyone thought that it would be the end of Q, and maybe the end of the CBC.

But they got a new guy in - Tom Power - and he's pretty good. The show will be fine.

Further proof that no one is irreplaceable.

I'd have thought anything could only be improved by his absence.

 

[phildwyer]

Perhaps, if any of those making allegations lay charges. The Toronto Police are investigating at the moment, apparently.

In that case, this could drag on for years...

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I'd have thought anything could only be improved by his absence.

Did you ever listen to the show?

 

[phildwyer]

Did you ever listen to the show?

No. I watched him interviewed on George Strombo though, he seemed like a real dickhead.

Was Q good because of him or despite him?

 

[FNG]

If he did it, I hope the court throws the book at him; if he didn't, I pity him as this will be difficult to live down, even if found not guilty.

the allegations have been around since 2006,there was no action taken at the time and none coming in foreseeable future.
http://gawker.com/who-wants-to-remember-bill-cosbys-multiple-sex-assaul-1515923178

e2a split thread?

 

[phildwyer]

The feeling in Canada toward Ghomeshi can be compared to that in the US toward OJ Simpson: a man goes from being a beloved household name, to a reviled monster. One difference is that it took a murder trial, then a successful civil lawsuit for murder, to complete the public transformation of OJ. The Ghomeshi transformation process took about two weeks, if that long.

Because unlike OJ, his fame rested on no substantial achievement but was the merest celebrity ephemera. He was only ever an image, and so can easily be replaced by another image.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Prior to the breaking of the scandal, I don't believe I'd ever seen a photo of the man, nor heard him in any context outside of his media work. He might have done a news show or something in Vancouver, years ago; hard to recall.

Q was very good and hugely popular. Ghomeshi was a part of that; how large or small his contribution is difficult to say.

 

[Greebo]

the allegations have been around since 2006,there was no action taken at the time and none coming in foreseeable future. <snip>

Fair enough.

e2a split thread?

Might be a good idea, go on then.