Jesus Christ, how fucking much?!
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kained&able
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no your making claims. back em up. find a link. and not with some misty eyed back in my day we could get a ticket for 2 quid.
what makes you think that a lot of club have or will have priced themselves so far out of the market that they will end up going bust.
oh and i do think 22.50 takes the piss to see a league one game away. I was considering going to luton wallsall(in away end) with my mate but seeing as i can go and sit in any stand for a catergory b game for 24.50 or have a sligly shit(only slightly) in a ctaergory a game for the same at upton park(presuming i can actully get a ticket tis a bastard to get hold of). I may not bother.
Which does rather proove your point about your away prices being silly and my point(kinda) that west ham is run right so why can't everyone else do it.
dave
what makes you think that a lot of club have or will have priced themselves so far out of the market that they will end up going bust.
oh and i do think 22.50 takes the piss to see a league one game away. I was considering going to luton wallsall(in away end) with my mate but seeing as i can go and sit in any stand for a catergory b game for 24.50 or have a sligly shit(only slightly) in a ctaergory a game for the same at upton park(presuming i can actully get a ticket tis a bastard to get hold of). I may not bother.
Which does rather proove your point about your away prices being silly and my point(kinda) that west ham is run right so why can't everyone else do it.
dave
I reckon at the end of the day teams like Rovers and Northampton will always be border line and to be fair JTG has a point.
NTFC are running at huge losses and only the odd sale of a promising player can abate the sharks. Speaking with a director the debts are near 1m for Northampton.
Now that suggests that some are nearer to extinction season after season.
The prem is a totally different kettle of fish, 1m debt is fuck all to a club like West Ham but massive to a lower division club.
I must again retain my glee when we spanked West Ham, Lampard and all 2-1 over 180 minutes of football a few years back. I remember the hammers beating Liverpool the weekend before as well. So what exactly does all this cash get you? It wasn't even a one off, we were actually a better side over 2 games. Te he
NTFC are running at huge losses and only the odd sale of a promising player can abate the sharks. Speaking with a director the debts are near 1m for Northampton.
Now that suggests that some are nearer to extinction season after season.
The prem is a totally different kettle of fish, 1m debt is fuck all to a club like West Ham but massive to a lower division club.
I must again retain my glee when we spanked West Ham, Lampard and all 2-1 over 180 minutes of football a few years back. I remember the hammers beating Liverpool the weekend before as well. So what exactly does all this cash get you? It wasn't even a one off, we were actually a better side over 2 games. Te he
kained&able said:
No West Ham get massive TV rights and have a sugar daddy. Also have a big fan base to back them up. Three reasons why West Ham are financially secure and why they don't have to charge astronomical ticket prices.
If West Ham were to get near the top 6 in the prem they'd lump the prices of tickets on so they can sustain and buy better players.
kained&able
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we always fuck up against lower opsoiton though. tis west ham tradition, and i wouldn't have it any other way.(i really would) walsall did it to us a few years back southend(or did they beat man ure) did it recently and all. and lee sorry dude but a tie is a one off.
Beating arsneal the last 5 times you've played them though now thats form!
jtg seriously answer one of my questions at least, everytime youve put a question mark ive answered and been accused by you of only addressing west ham and not caring about the big picture everytime youve been asked youve just fobbed me off or called me a thatcherite or told me to read a book.
dave
Beating arsneal the last 5 times you've played them though now thats form!
jtg seriously answer one of my questions at least, everytime youve put a question mark ive answered and been accused by you of only addressing west ham and not caring about the big picture everytime youve been asked youve just fobbed me off or called me a thatcherite or told me to read a book.
dave
Leeloks said:
Magnusson is on record as saying he can see no point in trying to attract less affluent fans into the ground what with West Ham's wealthy season ticket holder profile.
Surprised kained is so uninterested in the utterances of his own club's sugar daddy
kained&able said:
No, no mate it was over two games. Like 180 minutes, home and away. We got relegated that season to what is the old 4th division!
If my club had all that cash and is so above the little clubs i'd hang the bloody players. To get beat by a little nothing club like us over two games is nothing short of disgraceful.
kained&able
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Leeloks said:
no we wouldnt we have a shugar daddy(or three) why would we need to raise prices? The fan base helps no end obviosuly though. I would like to point out we finished 4th a few years back(only got into intertoto as well the bastards!) and didnt hike our prices and we didn't last season when in theroy we should have been living the european dream.
I think you have hit the nail on the head though. we have lots of fans who will support west ham for life. Lower teams don't have that many fans and i bet a few will decide to supoort luton if they got into the premeirship or god forbid mkdons if they did anything and so dont have a lot of cash. I know the sky money plays a huge factor as well but on the other hand you wont go out and spend 22 million on players over a summer(21 million coming back in i hasten to add) so your stuff has to be mianly free transfer hand me downs form bigger clubs. But as long as they haven't been taken for thier years slaary by teddys poker games you'd hope they would happily sign for the likes of northampton on reduced saleries just for the privilage of being able to play football(i can dream).
also yeah your right 1million i debt is nothing for a prem club most of em run a staggering loss and have a lot of debt i belive ours was something around the 40million mark before the icelandic lot took over although that was mainly long term loans for the west stand.
If premier league clubs are run correctly i see no reason for them to go bust and i see no reason why our cast offs can't keep the championship and league one in business esepcilly if they invest in youth as well. then hioefully those diviosns filter down and so on and so on. 22.50 is a silly price for an away ticket although its my understanding that away tickets quite often cost more(no chance to ever get an away ticket for west ham unless your season ticket holder so just dont know) and that should be looked into.
But to suggest that lot of teams will go bust is silly, and to suggest that west ham only survive beacuse of brighton giving us zamora(via spurs) is ludiacris. Football will survive beacause far to many people want it to both on the commerical side of things and the fans side of things.
dave
dave
kained&able
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Leeloks said:
yes i know how the league cup works. But one tie is a one off. as opposed to playing a few times over a season or you know a lots of times over a few years.
and if we didn't let the little teams win once in a while where would the magic be?? what would be the point for the likes of the cobblers? or wycombe or stevenage or exeter or anyone else who managed a good cup upset over the years. And by your logic arsenal would win 90% of games against us and man united every game ever.
dave
kained&able
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JTG said:
and yet you still havent posted a single link for any quote. i will check but ive never heard magnusson come out with anything like that so umm link, quote? hell isbn number?
At least i can back up up what im saying without to much hassle quoyting figures names and providing links to everything(well most) that ive said. You have yet to say anything you have even vageuly prooven. and yet im ignorent. cheers.
dave
kained&able
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umm play offs two year ago? intertoto two years before that. grANTED WE WIN FUCK ALL BUT NOT YOUR LEVEL!
DAVE
DAVE
kained&able said:
yep, you are ignorant.
like I say, not my job to educate you, enough people round here know I'm right and know that I know enough about the game to be taken seriously.
I read stuff in the paper, in books, online. I don't take a note of everything at the time funnily enough and if it don't come up on a quick google search then I'm sorry I can't be arsed.
kained&able said:
Thats it though if West Ham dropped to league 1 for like 4 seasons your fan base would half guarenteed. Those oh so loyal 'fans' would be at some other prem club quick style.
Happens all the time and in reverse but fans from 'bigger' clubs can't see it from way up there. I remember Fulham and Wigan with like 2500 fans, where did they all come from? Same the other way, should they drop 2 divisions their fans would leave in droves, just like West Ham's would.
So all the 'we have a support for life' and 'loyal fan base' is bollox mate. I guarentee there is a nice percentage at your games that go to watch the other teams not West Ham because West Ham are not successful. They love to watch Ronaldo and Rooney not Zamora and Ashton.
For all your "little guys" talk you have to remember that YOUR team is a less than average side at your standard. Your best league finish was like 3rd in the 85/86 season and you won the intertoto in 99.
. I suggest that our sides are less predictable and in fact our level is much more interesting. Not dominated by over inflated ego's. I thank you Dave.
big eejit
She looks like Alan Gilzean
Link to an article on aging football fans:
http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2028161,00.html
http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2028161,00.html
big eejit
She looks like Alan Gilzean
JTG said:
Or not. Waiting list for Man U season tickets down from 14,000 to zero as owners push up prices to recoup investment. Similar story at Liverpool and West Ham.
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/07/31/prices_down_and_sales_up_as_cl.html
sleaterkinney
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Waiting list down to zero at Liverpool?. It's something like 60,000.big eejit said:
No such problems at Everton though, you can get a free season ticket with a mobile phone!.
http://www.evertonfc.com/phonestore
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