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Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by TomUS, Dec 6, 2017.

  1. SheilaNaGig

    SheilaNaGig Struggling and striving


    It’s a pretty general concept. JC wasn’t the first who espoused it.






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  2. bimble

    bimble uber-hippy twonk peanut

    Yeah but the old testament definitely does not say turn the other cheek. That was a new idea in that part of the world anyway.
     
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  3. NoXion

    NoXion Give me space communism or give me death

    What kind of hippie says "render unto Caesar"? or even "I came not to bring peace, but a sword"?

    There's enough vagueness and contradiction in the Bible for people to have almost any interpretation of the characters within it, even Jesus.
     
  4. NoXion

    NoXion Give me space communism or give me death

    Almost as if human morals and ethics develop independently of religious affiliation, isn't it?
     
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  5. SheilaNaGig

    SheilaNaGig Struggling and striving


    That’s rather the point, yes.
     
  6. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam 'He bloody well thinks he's staff!'

    You can all say what you want, but Jesus did like a good barney.

    I for one look forward to his return (to the boards)
     
  7. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    If you read the gospels in one way, true. Read in other ways, other Jesuses appear. Like a Rightful Heir one, and a Purely Allegorical Archetype who Never Really Existed one.

    Whatever though, the Jerusalem standing now is not the same Jerusalem Jesus lived/died in (if Jesus was a man who lived/died). What's happening now isn't IMO biblical at all, it's medieval. Now as then, the bible will be used to justify it.
     
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  8. bimble

    bimble uber-hippy twonk peanut

    Yep he is an elusive bugger. I paid money to go see one of his several tombs in Jerusalem (this spring) and there was just this sign on the door of the cave. Very disappointing one star on tripadvisor. :mad:
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  9. sealion

    sealion If you can't dance just nod your head

    In other words ' gone fishing '
     
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  10. agricola

    agricola a genuine importer of owls

    which is especially needless in his case
     
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  11. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    I looked for Jesus in the Tomb of the Holy Sepulchre once, he wasn't there either. I was fascinated to discover the politics and strict demarcations between sects which (just about) hold the Church of the Holy Sepulchre together. It seemed like a microcosm of the whole place, really.

    I visited Jerusalem at Christmas in 1998, among a few times I've visited but that one was the maddest thing I've ever seen/heard. Actually 26th December and it was a Friday, so not only St.Stephen's day but it was Erev Shabat just after Hannuka, also it was in the middle of Ramadan. The cacophony and crowds everywhere were just unbelieveable and we finally made it out onto the Mount of Olives, for that view and for a bit of peace and quiet. But from there, we could still hear bells, horns, shouting, chanting, singing, it was like standing on the hill above Glastonbury, except way, way bigger, older and more serious. Amazing, but quite frightening.
     
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  12. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    Yeh as the bible has been used up to the modern day to justify things. Don't get all it's medieval when you had post-medieval people like Cromwell, newton, duplessis-mornay using the bible to justify stuff. Not to mention people like ronald wilson reagan - there's a 666 for you
     
  13. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    I agree, it has. It's the argy-bargy over Jerusalem that feels medieval, and Trump with this speech has signed up to that in a way no other president has been willing to do before, maybe giving his Christian constituents a greater investment in the fight.
     
  14. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    It will be jolly when the tinderpile goes up :cool:
     
  15. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    I also visited Har Meggido once. There were sunflower fields. Just the right place for a good old toasting I suppose.
     
  16. Sprocket.

    Sprocket. Eyes Full of Tinsel and Fire!

    The Rapture Ready zealots are already assuming their position waiting for the tractor beam to take them to Jesus.
    The Biblical quotes are already buzzing on theirs and their cohorts websites.
    I apologise for posting these, but think they are relevant due to the numbers of Americans who are living in hope of a war so they can meet Jesus.

    With Historic Announcement, President Trump Will Declare End to Jerusalem's 70-Year Exile

    ‘After Trump’s Jerusalem Declaration, Next Step Is Third Temple’

    :facepalm:
     
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  17. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    They could of course have joined up and fought and like so many of the 9/11 heroes been killed by friendly fire. Then they'd have met jesus already. Or not, as the case may be
     
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  18. CNT36

    CNT36 Not carbon nano tubes

    BBC went for"honest broker."
     
  19. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

  20. TomUS

    TomUS non-resident

    Trump was pleasing Sheldon Adleson, casino billionaire Republican donor as well as evangelicals. Adelson has frightening power over Trump and the Repub party.
    For Trump, an Embassy in Jerusalem Is a Political Decision, Not a Diplomatic One
     
  21. bimble

    bimble uber-hippy twonk peanut

  22. J Ed

    J Ed I remember the future

    I agree with the sentiment of this but in reality the actual substance itself of the recognition and moving the US embassy to Jerusalem itself is long standing US policy. The 1995 Jerusalem Embassy Act signalled this intention, and has been put off on a six monthly basis by successive US Presidents, all of whom while campaigning for office promised to move the embassy. The present Democratic leadership overwhelmingly backs the recognition and moving of the embassy.
     
  23. bimble

    bimble uber-hippy twonk peanut

    I think everyone understands that J Ed about the deferment of this stupid pledge having been going on for 23 years, until now. Doesn’t make this announcement of trump’s any less of a kick in the teeth to Palestinians.
     
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  24. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    It's absolutely being spun as Obama said he'd do this and never did it, look, look at Trump's integrity compared to Obama!
     
  25. J Ed

    J Ed I remember the future

    Yeah how dare anyone try to provide any sort of historical context or behave as if Trump hasn't just dropped out of the sky and into the Whitehouse.

     
  26. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    I meant that Trump's people are spinning it that way.
     
  27. J Ed

    J Ed I remember the future

    They are right actually though, aren't they?
     
  28. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

  29. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    No. They're wrong in every way I can think of, and not keeping that particular promise would IMO have been the right thing to do. Going back on the policy itself would be better still.
     
  30. J Ed

    J Ed I remember the future

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