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Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by hash tag, Jun 24, 2016.

  1. Idris2002

    Idris2002 A kick up the Arás

    My GP gave me a prescription for that, once.
     
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  2. Local councillor election here today, oddly a Wednesday and for such a staunch Tory area Labour look like they’re in with a decent chance, so much so that the local MP was stalking the high street on Saturday trying to drum up blue support, seeing as he’s Jeremy Hunt that suggests they are spooked.
     
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  3. killer b

    killer b Gazing vacantly at a plate of mince

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  4. ayatollah

    ayatollah Well-Known Member

    Why don't you , and Killer B, just do a modicum of research before writing utter bollocks ? Jones didn't "wobble" , he deliberately stuck a propaganda dagger repeatedly into Corbyn and his Left agenda's back ! It's all there on the internet for a few keystrokes FFS ! Owen Jones fell out with Jeremy Corbyn as early as December 2015, soon after the surprise first leadership contest victory - when Corbyn ignored his crap advice to "steer Right policy-wise" to make nice with the neoliberal PLP Right, and didn't bring him into his inner team (he prefers old Stalinists like Milne and Murray). Richard Murphy of The Tax Justice Network , had the same snub (quite rightly , as he is just a liberal with deep Quaker beliefs). Both characters from then on rubbished Corbyn and his policies remorselessly, as much from personal pique as politics. As late as 1st March 2017 in the Guardian article "Jeremy Corbyn says he's staying. That's not good enough", Jones was still dissing Corbyn . In fact he only really recanted his rejection of Corbyn as a viable leader AFTER the surprise success of Labour with Corbyn's decidedly Leftish reformist Manifesto , despite having worked for Labour during the snap election. Owen formally apologised for his "mistake about Corbyn" in a mea culpa article in The Guardian on June 9th , AFTER Labour did so well, saying "Jeremy Corbyn would make a fine Prime Minister" ! So Owen Jones remained a damaging "Left" critic of Corbyn AND his Left agenda for 18 months after the first Leadership election, much to the delight of all of Corbyn's PLP and Tory and press opponents , right up to 8th June. Deny this if you want, but that requires you ignore the facts, and are incapable of adding up his 18 months of solid betrayal.
     
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  5. killer b

    killer b Gazing vacantly at a plate of mince

    It's like some mirror-world version of The Male Online.
     
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  6. William of Walworth

    William of Walworth Festographer

    No -- I'll have to have a look at that. Will do a search.
     
  7. FridgeMagnet

    FridgeMagnet Administrator

    :confused: OJ has been pretty much onboard with JC from early days, given how he disagrees with the centre-right Labour wing. I even went to the trouble of skimming through his back articles in the Guardian archive of his stuff there in case I was going mad but apart from a few pieces saying "Corbyn should do this", overbalanced by posts promoting him and bashing his enemies in Labour, there's nothing.
     
  8. killer b

    killer b Gazing vacantly at a plate of mince

    He did call for him to go a few time tbf.
     
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  9. J Ed

    J Ed I remember the future

    Lots of mileage in this one. 'The sidebar of privilege' for a start.
     
  10. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist my world is fire and blood

    bare jokes:
    Wait, is Jeremy Corbyn… hot?
     
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  11. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    ''unelectable'' but not unerectable, eh, eh

    actually I wish I hadn't thought of that :facepalm:
     
  12. scifisam

    scifisam feck! arse! girls! drink!

    Compared to other major politicians at the moment the man is a sex god. When you're up against (fnar) Gove, Boris, Cameron, Trump, Farage, etc, you'd have to be pretty bad to be less sexy really, but he does have a sort of twinkly-eyed appeal.
     
  13. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist my world is fire and blood

    where I grabbed that link from had a quote from the twitterbox 'attractive in an old sea dog way' which also cracked me up.
     
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  14. Streathamite

    Streathamite ideological dogmatist

    In south West Surrey??? :eek:
    I mean, HASLEMERE??? Fucking hell, if they're rattled there, anything is possible.
    How did it go?
     
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  15. Puddy_Tat

    Puddy_Tat meh

    looks like they elected a limp dem to the district and town councils (LD's didn't even stand last time in that ward) and it's their only councillor on waveney council so they consider this something of an achievement (new councillor's tweeter here.)

    from a labour party perspective, they were struggling even to get paper candidates in council elections in bits of surrey not that long ago...
     
  16. Puddy_Tat

    Puddy_Tat meh

    [​IMG]
     
  17. Lib Dem. not Tory, but don’t really go for my enemy’s enemy shit.
     
  18. Streathamite

    Streathamite ideological dogmatist

    no, not me either
     
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  19. William of Walworth

    William of Walworth Festographer

    From that piece DotCommunist quoted above :

    'lager' my arse ... if the Corbster drank at all (and I don't think he does much) it'd have to be proper ale from an independent brewery ... :hmm:
     
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  20. agricola

    agricola a genuine importer of owls

    Independent in the sense that it would be home brew.
     
  21. Kaka Tim

    Kaka Tim Crush the Saboteurs!


    Or some home made raspberry and nettle wine.
     
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  22. bemused

    bemused Well-Known Member

  23. SaskiaJayne

    SaskiaJayne Rural Guerrilla

    Plenty of Labour target voters don’t really do foreign stuff while they are trying to pay their rent & most others will see the utter hypocrisy of this right wing handwringing over the Iranian anti government protests when the same right wingers back Israel over Palestinian ‘terrorists’. Nobody reads the tabloid press anymore. Jezza can rest easy on this one.
     
  24. bemused

    bemused Well-Known Member

    Be nice for a government in waiting to have an opinion, maybe that's just me.
     
  25. SaskiaJayne

    SaskiaJayne Rural Guerrilla

    I think the Tories are now so toxic that they have gone beyond trying to scare voters into not voting Labour. Nobody listens. Nobody worries about Labour turning the country into Venezuela anymore.
     
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  26. killer b

    killer b Gazing vacantly at a plate of mince

    You're totally wrong there: roughly 40% of the country worry about Labour turning the country into Venezuela. That's why the Tory numbers aren't dipping. It's all they have left, but it's still very effective.
     
  27. SaskiaJayne

    SaskiaJayne Rural Guerrilla

    Labour’s previous problem was getting their target voters to actually vote. Their better than expected result at last GE was because more of their target voters voted. Imo Tory voter base is getting older & dying off so can’t vote. Plenty of potential Labour voter base is becoming old enough to vote so Labour vote share is naturally increasing while Tory vote share is naturally decreasing. Labour can win if they can get their voters out to vote. It does seem a bit like before ‘97 where the Tories just became toxic & Labour got the result at the next GE.
     
  28. redsquirrel

    redsquirrel This Machine Kills Progressives

    The share of the vote for the Conservative party has seen a successive increase at each of the last five GEs. In 2017 it was as high as it was 30 years ago.

    As for the dying off nonsense well that was the same claim as made twenty years ago.
     
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  29. Fez909

    Fez909 toilet expert

    It seems to make sense, just like the demographic arguments made in the USA about the GOP never winning another election again - and look how that turned out.

    The issue is that old people are being produced all the time, the same as young people. And old people are making up a bigger percentage of the population all the time. And they always vote.
     
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  30. Supine

    Supine Rough Like Badger

    Relying on people dieing and not actual real life policies is a fool's game.
     
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