Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by hash tag, Jun 24, 2016.

  1. scifisam

    scifisam feck! arse! girls! drink!

    Oh God, that'd be wonderful. A wide selection of unlikeables (plus a couple who'd tell the new party to fuck off) - it's like the B-Ark in Hitchhiker's Guide. None of them would get elected and their seats could be taken by better candidates. Awesome.
     
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  2. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Ridin' a Stutz Bearcat, Jim

    They can take my local MP Chris Leslie with them as well. He's a fucking bellend of a tory fifth columnist who would be mentioned in the same breath as Umunna if anyone gave enough of a shit about him to waste half a breath.
     
  3. oryx

    oryx Sitting on the bock of the day

    It seems impossible for these sort of articles to be written without the word 'sensible' being inserted somewhere. :hmm:
     
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  4. Streathamite

    Streathamite ideological dogmatist

    f-me, did I really read that? did he really cite those names? A living roll call of the 'time-is-come-and-gone' yesterday people with nothing new to say that's even slightly worth listening to, whose 57 varieties of neoliberalism are as responsible as anything or anyone else , for the complete collapse of the centre-right.
    F-me, I'm grudgingly awed by the near-total disconnect from reality. Not least in that for a party to quadruple its' membershi[p in 2 short years is apparently a tell-tale symbol of imminent demise.
     
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  5. Streathamite

    Streathamite ideological dogmatist

    Come off it. Corbyn is soft ;left, whilst those you call that are out-and-out right of centre. I wouldn't give tuppence for what they'd do for the working classes
     
  6. ayatollah

    ayatollah Well-Known Member

    Don't rewrite history. Owen Jones fell out with Jeremy Corbyn very soon after the 2015 first Leadership campaign , when, he failed to be given what he thought was his due of a core place as political guru to Jeremy in his team. He was even then advocating watering down even the mildly radical reformist Leftism of the Corbyn campaign , to suck up to the Labour Right and that fatal Labour Shibbolith of "Party Unity" at all costs. Jeremy wasn't interested in either his analysis or him as guru - so for 18 months Owen Jones spitefully denounced Corbyn in the Guardian and his blogs - helping to feed the "Jeremy is hopeless" narrative that buggered Labour in the opinion polls and led to the disruptive waste of time of the "Chicken Coup" and the subsequent Owen Smith Leadership bid. During this active sabotage period, of which Owen Jones was a "Left face" to add credibility , Labour fell from being close to the Tories in the polls, to 20 points BEHIND when the snap General Election was called. So yep, Owen Jones was active in campaigning for Labour once the General Election had been called , but his personal egotism and pique at not being in Corbyn's inner circle, and crap "shift the Corbyn agenda rightwards to placate the PLP neoliberals " bollocks throughout 2016 and early 2017 in the Guardian, media inteviews and his massively followed blogs, had done very significant damage . Owen Jones was only fully back on board the Corbyn/Momentum bandwagon once the General Election result had pissed all over his totally wrong " steer Right to secure victory" strategy , and he wanted back on the bandwagon.

    You can be a dedicated follower of the utter opportunist that is Owen Jones, Killer b, if you want, but don't pretend for a moment that the guy is any sort of sincere socialist , or that his 18 months of active denunciation of Corbyn and his Left agenda , feeding precisely the PLP Right , Tory, and mass media "Corbyn is a total disaster" meme that you too seem to have bought wholesale, a lie that his performance in the campaign showed to be utter bollocks, should ever be forgiven or forgotten.
     
  7. killer b

    killer b Feat. Sean Paul

    Wow, these guys really do exist.
     
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  8. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    Silas won't be - or shouldn't be - showing his face round these parts since he lost a vote on his remaining. Thought you'd like to know, Streathamite
     
  9. agricola

    agricola a genuine importer of owls

    I think the Guardian invariably refer to him as "former Shadow Chancellor* Chris Leslie".

    * He held the post between May and September 2015, during a leadership election and when Parliament was in recess for two months.
     
  10. Streathamite

    Streathamite ideological dogmatist

    ahhh....interesting:D
     
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  11. Monkeygrinder's Organ

    Monkeygrinder's Organ Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager

    You've really nailed him there.
     
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  12. killer b

    killer b Feat. Sean Paul

    I'm actually planning on launching a new centrist party on Twitter over Christmas.
     
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  13. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    He was just as hammering when an apparent opponent appeared in the SWP. Now some CLP get this one thursday a month
     
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  14. bemused

    bemused Well-Known Member

    What are you going to call it?
     
  15. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    WE OWN THIS
     
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  16. Monkeygrinder's Organ

    Monkeygrinder's Organ Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager

    It's the Common Sense thing to do.
     
  17. killer b

    killer b Feat. Sean Paul

    Pragmitas.
     
  18. bemused

    bemused Well-Known Member

    If I founded a party I'd call it Linda.
     
  19. killer b

    killer b Feat. Sean Paul

    It's a portmanteau of 'pragmatic', for the kind of approach we'll take to politics, and 'dignitas', the clinic in switzerland where people who've outlived their usefulness go to be put to a merciful end. I'm hoping we'll get a lot of Chris Deerin's list signing up.
     
  20. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    Not sure people go to Switzerland to end it all because they've outlived their usefulness.
     
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  21. cantsin

    cantsin Well-Known Member

    OJ wobbled for sure. its on record - your timing's well out though, it wasn't anywhere near "18 months " , of denunciation, or anything approaching it
     
  22. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    It was a fair bit for a fair time and very very serious though.
     
  23. cantsin

    cantsin Well-Known Member

    nicely reguritated from Guido / 100 centrist whingers etc, but what are you up to politically at the moment ?
     
  24. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist my world is fire and blood

    give the man of check shirt his due, he did recant.

    I'm not sure what to make of Tom Watson exhorting us to not fear the robots though. Who is he talking to here.
     
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  25. cantsin

    cantsin Well-Known Member

    wasnt impressive, for sure, but 18months is bollocks.

    Serious / straight question to you BA - I got a bit of a mauling from the Lib Com twitter bod a few months ago for suggesting that Momentum's plans to unseat pro HDV ers on Haringey Council pre May 2018 local elections might be the only thing that could stop the HDV in the forseeable, and therefore potentially materially affect the lives of 1000's of working class tenants in the near to mid term.

    As this looks increasingly possible, can you see the value in this kind of radical ( though pretty broadbased ) electoralism, as a tactic, in this instance, in the here and now ?
     
  26. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Can you sell it to me - and can you sell it necessarily happening through the labour party?
     
  27. Rimbaud

    Rimbaud Well-Known Member

    TBF most of what I've done so far is market research for gambling companies, which is really tough to keep people on the phones for... I've been sworn at and threatened on the phone quite a lot. Kinda shitty job. I only got put onto political polling the last two hours of my last shift, thank god. It is all cold calling, nobody calls us. Hopefully I'm not gonna be doing this for much longer though...
     
  28. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    Cold calling is shit, most of my mr time was customer satisfaction so I knew people had the product. They might hate it, they might be rude to me, but at least they'd answer the fucking questions, which made it bearable. Cold calling, they rarely wanted to do the interview
     
  29. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Have you seen thornberry telling people they need to put up assad?
     
  30. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

    RMT? Lorry Drivers? Warehouse workers?
     
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