Jeremy Clarkson Anti-Green Stunt

[_pH_]

Need I say more?

Slapping him makes me very happy actually. Now, where's me hoody.......

 

[EastEnder]

I agree, also the services should be improved, where I live if I want to go to my friends house there is one bus a day

The argument about buses being more efficient than cars only holds water in areas where there are lots of buses. I wouldn't moan at someone living in the wilds of Scotland for driving a car.

The anti-4x4 movement (which sparked this whole debate off) are usually referring to townies driving great big cars to work or taking the kids to school - in places where there are indeed lots of buses.

London is probably the worst of the lot - here it's unforgivable.

 

[Griff]

The anti-4x4 movement (which sparked this whole debate off) are usually referring to townies driving great big cars to work or taking the kids to school - in places where there are indeed lots of buses.

London is probably the worst of the lot - here it's unforgivable.

When I worked in SW London and had to get off at South Kensington tube, the amount of Range Rovers, Ceyannes, Jeeps, Volvos, Tourags etc that you'd see parked next to each other and being driven by women with one brat off to school was sickening.

What the fuck is wrong with these people?

 

[Dubversion]

i do think that the pro-car lobby (as if people trying to make the roads less mental are therefore intrinsically 'anti'-car ) need to bear in mind that there HAVE to be distinctions made between London (and i guess Birmingham, Manchester etc) and other areas. if i lived in a small town or the suburbs or the country, i'd almost certainly have a car. whether i'd feel i'd need a 4x4 or SUV is another matter mind.

but in London, depending on how polarised your opinion is and whether it's a part of your employment, using a car veers from a luxury to sheer bloody selfishness, a Range Rover doubly so... so when the pro car mob start feeling all persecuted by anti-car activity in the capital they really need to get a sense of perspective

 

[El Jugador]

It was recently suggested to that arrogant bullying prick Clarkson, that a major contribution to Rover's recent demise was played by his needlessly slagging off their cars on his programme for the past ten years (he seemed to be under the illusion that accusing them of being uncool, boring and for grandads somehow makes himself less so) ...Perhaps he's now trying to do the same to environmentalism.

I reckon it would be poetic justice if some fucker ran him over - ideally that odious mini-me version of him (wotsisname, the one who does the brainless yet utterly patronising hosting of that historic battle show).

And I bet he's a shit trannie too.

 

[golightly]

And I bet he's a shit trannie too.

Is Clarkson a trannie?

 

[pinkmonkey]

When I worked in SW London and had to get off at South Kensington tube, the amount of Range Rovers, Ceyannes, Jeeps, Volvos, Tourags etc that you'd see parked next to each other and being driven by women with one brat off to school was sickening.

What the fuck is wrong with these people?

One of my friends recently had a baby and became friendly with a woman in her street who was also pregnant because they met at baby classes.

This woman sold her little hatchback and bought a massive landrover the minute she dropped, then moaned for months afterwards how she didn't really want to go back to work after having her sprog, but was going to have to do so to afford the repayments on the loan for her Chelsea Tractor.

 

[golightly]

Is this because some people think that if they take their kids out in some huge beast of a car they're better protected if they have a prang?

 

[Dubversion]

partly that, i think, and also about carrying pushchairs and toys and all the over nonsense that sprogs involve

 

[_pH_]

Is this because some people think that if they take their kids out in some huge beast of a car they're better protected if they have a prang?

Not if they crash into someone else taking their kids out in some huge beast of a car because they think they're better protected if they have a prang. Where will it all end!!?

 

[golightly]

obvious really

 

[_pH_]

Hey, careful now! You'll have Peebs using up his year's supply of Kleenex in 10 seconds flat.

 

[EastEnder]

obvious really

Are you the one riding the gun?

 

[magneze]

Are you the one riding the gun?

Isn't that Jeremy Clarkson?

 

[pinkmonkey]

Some of them have feck all room inside though - my ex husbands sister bought a Jeep Grand Cherokee when she dropped her sprog - it was so small and cramped inside it was like a mini - and it drank petrol. Thankfully they saw sense and sold it and bought an estate car instead.

 

[noodles]

obvious really

That's been painted all over in black recently

 

[golightly]

That's been painted all over in black recently

Yeah I noticed. I'm hoping it's just an undercoat.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Good point and so the saloon car stat is per passenger too ... err ... still makes the bus better doesn't it!

No, the car is per car. That is the CO2 emission figure for my car.

 

[Sasaferrato]

It's more than that - "He added that buses emitted 79 grams of carbon dioxide per passenger kilometre compared with 145 grams for a saloon car."

79gms/passenger/km compared to 145gms/passenger/km.

Presumably the figures are based on both forms of transport being used in their most efficient form, i.e. full.

So whilst you'd need a full bus to achieve the figure, you'd also need a full car to do the same.

How many people take 4 passengers to work in their car? Not many. So the average car driving commuter is most likely only getting one fifth of that efficiency.

A London double decker bus can carry at least 80 people: 80*79 = 6320 gms/km. A family saloon car can carry 5 people: 5*145 = 725 gms/km.

Even a quarter full bus, carrying 20 people is over twice as efficient per passenger/km than a car with one person in it: 6320/20 = 316

A bus would need 8 or fewer people on board to be less efficient than a 1 person carrying car.

145 is a typical figure for a CAR, not per passenger.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Yes, and one assumes that the figures are a comparison of both vehicles
fully loaded. So, no, an average bus doesn't pollute more than a saloon car with two people in it. In fact, an average bus that is only 50% full would still pollute far less per passenger than a saloon car with two passengers (50% full).

Matt

Wrong. Check car CO2 emissions.

 

[Sasaferrato]

And it should be an imprisonable offence for someone british to use american spellings

Its kilometre. Spellingist!

Sorry, amended from miles as I was scooting back to work after lunch.

 

[golightly]

145 is a typical figure for a CAR, not per passenger.

Is that a fully laden car or just with a driver?

 

[girasol]

When I worked in SW London and had to get off at South Kensington tube, the amount of Range Rovers, Ceyannes, Jeeps, Volvos, Tourags etc that you'd see parked next to each other and being driven by women with one brat off to school was sickening.

What the fuck is wrong with these people?

The huge, unecessary, 4x4s driving around town are my pet hate. What is the point of having those massive fucking things in London??? Most of the streets are too narrow anyway.

I hate them so much that whenever I'm out with my son and we see one of them, he gets on his little soap box and starts having a go at them too! He's heard me slag them off so many times that now it's second nature to him.

 

[magneze]

While we're on the subject of 4x4s ... this is a great idea: http://www.wastemonsters.org.uk/

 

[girasol]

Oh, I like that, I think I'll be issuing some of those!

 

[Sasaferrato]

Six people each driving a car pollute more than six people on one bus.

Only marginally.

Looking more at this has made me realise what lieing cunts environmtal fascists are.

Ranking
Make
Model
Engine
Capacity
cc

Trans-
mission

CO2
(g/km)

Fuel
Consumption
(mpg)

Fuel cost
of driving
12000 miles
1 HONDA Insight 995 5MT 80 83.1 525
2 TOYOTA Prius 1497 E-CVT 104 65.7 664
3 PEUGEOT 107 998 M5 109 61.3 712
4 TOYOTA Aygo 998 Multi5 109 61.4 711
5 SMART City Coupé Hatchback 698 SM6 113 60.1 726
6 DAIHATSU Charade 989 M5 114 58.9 741
7 VAUXHALL Corsa 998 MTA 115 58.8 742
8 SMART Roadster 698 A6 116 57.6 758
9 HONDA Civic IMA 1339 5MT 116 57.6 758
10 DAIHATSU Sirion 998 M5 118 56.5 772


The third figure is CO2 emission level.

http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/information/tables.asp#petrol

 

[Sasaferrato]

Is that a fully laden car or just with a driver?

Doesn't say, but it doesn't make a lot of odds, I get much the same loaded with all our camping gear etc on holiday as I do at home with just me. Foot weight is more important than load.

 

[magneze]

Sasaferrato, what would you do to reduce CO2 emissions and/or congestion if you're so pro-car and environmentalists are "fascists"?

 

[Sasaferrato]

huge pdf mind

and also remember that is for new engines, most buses are poorly maintained and have less efficient engines

Most of the buses with us shove out horrible black smoke, the police don't seem to bother them though.

 

[El Jugador]

Is that a fully laden car or just with a driver?

Good question. Looking to Magnese's original quote from the Independent:

...buses emitted 79 grams of carbon dioxide per passenger kilometre compared with 145 grams for a saloon car...

So if what Sasaferrato says about his car's emissions is true, I think some confusion may have arisen through Graham Goodwin of TfL comparing things that are not like-for-like and thus are not actually comparable - I doubt if he is doing his cause many favours by ignorantly or deliberately misusing stats in this way - though one could argue that in this day and age stats are there for misusing and misleading and little else.