Jean Charles de Menezes verdict: "An attack on us all"

[butchersapron]

No. Athens is not being destroyed.

 

[pdxm]

The people who live near this might beg to differ


http://flickr.com/photos/gmakkas/3095114390/in/pool-athensgreecebutnoacropolis

 

[butchersapron]

Thay might. But it's still *your* contention that athens is being destroyed - yes?

 

[pdxm]

http://www.wordia.com/destroy

Given $1.3 billion of damage I reckon 1 and 6 apply

 

[butchersapron]

I'm unclear if that's a yes or a no - can you help?

 

[Jazzz]

If the jury had read their history books, they might have returned a verdict of unlawful killing:

"In the 17th and 18th centuries there were a series of cases starting in 1670 with the trial of the Quaker William Penn which asserted the (de facto) right of a jury to pass a verdict contrary to the facts or law. A good example is the case of one Carnegie of Finhaven who in 1728 accidentally killed the Scottish Earl of Strathmore. As the defendant had undoubtedly killed the Earl, the law (as it stood) required the jury to pass the verdict that the case had been "proven" and cause Carnegie of Finhaven to die for an accidental killing. Instead the jury asserted what it believed to be their "ancient right" to judge the whole case and not just the facts and brought in the verdict of "not guilty". This led to the development of the not proven verdict in Scots law."

yep, I wondered about that. I guess the jury might not have known. Would have been quite something had they stood their ground and returned 'unlawful killing'.

 

[pdxm]

Yes the people who have destroyed $1.3 billion dollars worth of public property in the city of Athens are in the process of destroying it.

 

[butchersapron]

Offical : Athens is being destroyed - drunk copper says so. Must be true.

 

[butchersapron]

I remember when London was destroyed during the poll tax riot. Terrible times.

 

[pdxm]

Offical : Athens is being destroyed - drunk copper says so. Must be true.

If only!

 

[HarrisonSlade]

FFS.

That's precisely the point that biOboy is making: That direction from a coroner or judge isn't compulsory, a jury don't have to accept it. The jury, had they known (I suspect they weren't informed), could have still issued a verdict of "unlawful killing" in spite of the coroner's direction.

Sorry. Misunderstood.

 

[HarrisonSlade]

Hmm,

Cos smashing things up and destroying cities and trying to burn people alive with petrol bombs is a good way to go about things........

What you have described is the Apocalypse.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/14/greece

^^ is not the Apocalypse. If anything, the guys who are protesting are extremelly brave freedom fighters who are rapidly doing better for their cause. The aftermath of Athens will take a little time to fix, but it has made the world sit up and take notice that some things are worth fighing for, equality and justice being two of the main things.

 

[brasicritique]

Jean Charles de Menezes verdict: "An attack on us all"
yep

 

[pdxm]

What you have described is the Apocalypse.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/14/greece

^^ is not the Apocalypse. If anything, the guys who are protesting are extremelly brave freedom fighters who are rapidly doing better for their cause. The aftermath of Athens will take a little time to fix, but it has made the world sit up and take notice that some things are worth fighing for, equality and justice being two of the main things.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pic...bomb-was-thrown-at-him-in-Greece.html?image=2

 

[ViolentPanda]

The Ministry of education, a polytechnic and lawyers offices. Very noble. The last line of this report is interesting

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hg9kVY361xpIwm3-qAcb_WUFk-XQ

"City" would only pertain if you were talking about somewhere as small as Brighton.

BTW, what's so wrong with destroying the offices of lawyers? I'd have thought that a brave officer of the law would see the utility in that?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Erm, Athens? perhaps?

You're obviously getting confused about the difference between a city and a couple of districts within a city.
Such confusion from someone who claimed a good degree from a reputable institution!

 

[butchersapron]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pic...bomb-was-thrown-at-him-in-Greece.html?image=2

It *is* the apocalypse?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Sorry. Misunderstood.

S'okay.
What I'm hoping is that the pretty blatantly biased behaviour of the coroner will be grounds for some form of judicial review, and possibly a fresh inquest.

 

[butchersapron]

Hiw good is the argument that the jury weren't aware of their full options?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Hiw good is the argument that the jury weren't aware of their full options?

I really don't know, but having attended half a dozen or so inquests in the '80s and '90s, I can't remember a single incidence of the jury being informed that they have a right to ignore direction.

 

[HarrisonSlade]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pic...bomb-was-thrown-at-him-in-Greece.html?image=2

Well, since you are up for posting up "horrific" pictures.

Can't find a picture of the murdered 15 year old Greek kid. Will this do?