Jean Charles de Menezes inquest: officers "not at fault"

[Jonti]

our systems of command, of surveillance and of firearms intervention ... failed in response to a previously unforeseen circumstance, suicide bombers on the run

 

[MrSki]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7654278.stm

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Cressida Dick said: "If you are asking me did we do anything wrong or unreasonable, then I don't think we did."

"The way he behaved getting on and off the bus contributed to our assessment" of him as a bomber, she said.

Surely he should not have been allowed to get on & off a bus if they thought he was a bomber?

The bus bomb was as effective in the numbers killed & injured as the tube ones.

 

[tarannau]

Just goes to show wrongheaded and random their 'assessment' was, doesn't it.

She's got a fucking cheek to suggest that they've done nothing wrong. A bit of clarity in communication, competent surveillance, some decent identification and a bit of common sense would have worked wonders.

 

[Mr_Nice]

This story

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7654278.stm

So an innocent bloke gets shot in the head 7 times yet Deputy Assistant Commissioner Cressida Dick said: "If you are asking me did we do anything wrong or unreasonable, then I don't think we did."

Whats worse is this comment

Ms Dick was asked by Nicholas Hilliard, QC for the coroner, Sir Michael Wright: "What went wrong?"
She replied: "One thing that clearly went wrong was that we didn't
manage as a nation to prevent those attacks.

Fecking teflon or what, so we as a nation, you and me failed in preventing the attcks

Its just gets better ...


Last week Det Ch Supt Jon Boutcher told the inquest jury: "I cannot see anything we could have done that would have changed the course of the tragedy of Mr de Menezes." He also admitted he could not rule out someone being killed in a similar situation again.

Have they not learnt anything, it could still happen again

This must not ever happen again

 

[tarannau]

I posted this on the other thread and I'm slightly flabbergasted that they can claim that the operation wasn't ineptly handled.

Just goes to show wrongheaded and random their 'assessment' was, doesn't it.

She's got a fucking cheek to suggest that they've done nothing wrong. A bit of clarity in communication, competent surveillance, some decent identification and a bit of common sense would have worked wonders.

 

[zenie]

Ms Dick how apt

They'll get away with this....they always do

 

[Cowley]

Ms Dick replied: "He was extremely unfortunate to live in the same block as Hussain Osman, desperately unfortunate to look very like Hussain Osman, and the things he did in all innocence, the way he behaved getting on and off the bus, contributed to our assessment - my assessment - of him as a bomber.

"But if you are asking me did we do anything wrong or unreasonable, then I don't think we did."

This portion of the statement is unbelievable. Honestly...the words defy believe.

What did De Menzies do so wrong as to get on/off a bus in such a suspicious manner? I mean how do terrorists normally get on/off buses?

Like MrSki has said, why would you allow a suspected terrorist to get off/on bus and then onto a tube anyway?

Folks...she is paid more than 100K a year to effectively manage the policing services in London and she comes out with stuff like this? It really worries me to be honest.

 

[tarannau]

A quick reminder of what Hussain Osman looked like:

And Jean Charles

And if they looked so similar why did the Met Photoshop elements of JC's face to make it appear a better likeness. Add to that the irrelevant smears and inaccurate information they repeatedly gave to the press, trying to desperately justify their fuck ups.

 

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Thread renamed and moved for clarity.

 

[editor]

*threads merged

 

[weltweit]

"..... did we do anything wrong or unreasonable, then I don't think we did."

What about killing an innocent man, does that not count as either "wrong" or "unreasonable" ?

 

[detective-boy]

Just goes to show wrongheaded and random their 'assessment' was, doesn't it.

No.

It just goes to show how little you actually pay attention to what happened, why and how. And how little you actually pay attention to explanations of the reality of investigation and surveillance. And how you fail to acknowledge the realities of the world we live in.

 

[tarannau]

Well it's reasonable to shoot him if you've good grounds to believe he was bomb carrying terrorist and you had failed to stop him because of insurmountable obstacles. If however, you fluff up the intelligence and surveillance, subsequently panic and then make fucking stupid judgments then it's clearly not reasonable, it it.

Frankly the woman can fuck off. She's a fucking disgrace to say that in front of the family, even allowing for the confrontational nature of the courts.

 

[tarannau]

No.

It just goes to show how little you actually pay attention to what happened, why and how. And how little you actually pay attention to explanations of the reality of investigation and surveillance. And how you fail to acknowledge the realities of the world we live in.

Shut up you patronising arse. There is no reason why that man should have been shot, plenty more reasons why some action should be taken to stop such badly handled operations taking place in future.

As for the no doubt complex 'reality of investigation' I'd say that's good enough reason to competently carry out surveillance and use clear, unambiguous communication before rushng out to play judge, jury and executioner based on panic, hotheadedness and poor information.

 

[likesfish]

it was such an appalling cock up don't think theres anyone who could be blamed.

 

[tarannau]

That's far from saying the officers did nothing wrong.

Appalling cock ups aren't generally considered the reasonable norm.

 

[Cowley]

No. It just goes to show how little you actually pay attention to what happened, why and how. And how little you actually pay attention to explanations of the reality of investigation and surveillance. And how you fail to acknowledge the realities of the world we live in.

No the reality is that the police made a huge error that cost a life. They should acknowledge this and be honest instead of trying to squirm their way out of it with patched up statements of contradiction.

How do you think the De Menzies family feel when they hear statements from the deputy of the met police proudly stating it wasn't there fault?

I don't understand how anyone with a HEART could just take those statements from Ms Dick as a means of justification...it beggars belief.

 

[laptop]

IF the reported comments by DAC Dick are representative of her, er, representations, it would seem either that she's being incredibly pig-headed or that she fears being sued personally over Charles's killing.

 

[detective-boy]

I'd say that's good enough reason to competently carry out surveillance and use clear, unambiguous communication before rushng out to play judge, jury and executioner based on panic, hotheadedness and poor information.

So what would you say about rushing to a knee-jerk conclusion, based primarily on prejudice, without bothering to actually listen to any of the facts / explanations provided?

Cos I'd say that was cuntish.

 

[butchersapron]

IF the reported comments by DAC Dick are representative of her, er, representations, it would seem either that she's being incredibly pig-headed or that she fears being sued personally over Charles's killing.

I think the two run togethjer and she's after a very individual defence.

Good to see db spreading light as ever.

 

[Fedayn]

So what would you say about rushing to a knee-jerk conclusion, based primarily on prejudice, without bothering to actually listen to any of the facts / explanations provided?

Cos I'd say that was cuntish.

Well we have already had it established, that De Menezes was never identified as a suspect, that the police deliberately tampered with his picture to change his likeness.... There's a few facts for you birthday boy. But hey let's ignore them cos they might show up your beloved Met in a rather poor light.

Old Cressida seems to have an interesting meaning of the word 'wrong'. After all to here there's nothing wrong with shooting 7 bullets into the head of an entirely unidentified man.
Wonder what 'dictionary' she read that wee morsel in?!

 

[tarannau]

So what would you say about rushing to a knee-jerk conclusion, based primarily on prejudice, without bothering to actually listen to any of the facts / explanations provided?

Cos I'd say that was cuntish.

Yes, nobody's capable of reading the evidence and 'explanations' with as liitle prejudice as you, the angry ex-copper with the hair trigger temper.

 

[butchersapron]

Yes, nobody's capable of reading the evidence and 'explanations' with as liitle prejudice as you, the angry ex-copper with the hair trigger temper.

You appear to have a defective backlight tarannau.

 

[danny la rouge]

What did De Menzies do so wrong as to get on/off a bus in such a suspicious manner? I mean how do terrorists normally get on/off buses? .

Haven't you see terrorists getting off buses? They walk funny. Those guys are funny walkers.

So are Brazilians, mind, so once in a while a Brazilian will get several bullets in the head. It's only to be expected.

 

[detective-boy]

Good to see db spreading light as ever.

Fuck off. As you well know, it's fuckwits like you who eventually convinced me that this place was a waste of fucking time.

 

[butchersapron]

Off you trot then.

 

[Cowley]

So what would you say about rushing to a knee-jerk conclusion, based primarily on prejudice, without bothering to actually listen to any of the facts / explanations provided?

So the facts/explanations provided by the Police are fair, and what they did wasn't wrong?

I suppose it was De Menzies fault that he was perceived to look like a terrorist and act like a terrorist?

Given your responses, I assume you think it's fair for the Met Police to fire blindly at Innocent "Terrorist Suspects"?, Innocent being the key word here.

 

[detective-boy]

Off you trot then.

I'll do what I fucking like, thanks.

And whilst it remains the case that slinging a bit of abuse at cunts like you, winds you up, I'll probably keep on doing it ...

 

[Cowley]

I'll do what I fucking like, thanks.

And whilst it remains the case that slinging a bit of abuse at cunts like you, winds you up, I'll probably keep on doing it ...

Your doing a good job of representing the Met.

 

[butchersapron]

So stop claiming that you've left then. Don't worry, whenever there's a JCDM case to piss all over db will be there.