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These *morons* at least were trying to learn though...
Jamie's Ministry of Food
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These *morons* at least were trying to learn though...
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I can't understand why people are howling in horror at these 'thickos' for trying to improve something.
I do also suspect that not everyone was quite as incapable as was painted. I think a lot of it has been put on tbh..
I'm not howling with derision. Just strongly disrespect what looks like wilful ignorance and lazyness. It's not that I expect everyone to be able to knock up Michelin level quazene. I'm hardly master sheff myself. But sticking a baked potato in the oven. I mean, even just to see what happens.
But on your second point. They've obviously chosen pretty extreme examples and editted accordingly. I don't personally know anyone who's quite so culinary challenged.
A very good point. Bad attitudes to food are not only to be found amongst the poor or working classes and it is patronising to say that all working class families feed their children shite.
However, it is a huge indictment that for the last 30 odd years we have had a socialist-style inclusive education system that has presided over not an improvement in the average persons life chances or choices but instead has created a slackjawed, bovine population who consider opening a tin to be intellectually challenging.
A huge indictment... of what?
The piss poor quality of the one size fits all socialist education system. Should have worded it better.
What the bleeding hell are you warbling on about? My gawd, you've turned into a right unashamed tory, with your nonsensical rubbish about 'socialist' style education. it's like a Tory gag reflex and new Godwin's law.
Doesn't hold water in the slightest fwiw. I’d strongly suggest that this country’s never had much of a food-based culture, nor were most people educated well about food at school at any point. What’s perhaps more important is a lack of parenting skills, plus a lack of family time - aspects you could more easily level at the fact we have the longest working hours in Europe, communities and high streets decimated/ food tastes distorted by big chains and agribusinesses. Add to that a paralyzing lack of real money for those unemployed, often portrayed as chavvy wasteful slackers, which discourages learning. Sneering shit about ‘bovine population’ is part of the problem, as is your tendency to characterize anything that doesn’t come from Tory HQ or Boris’s gob as ‘socialist’. You numpty.
Are you arguing that the current system is worse than a previous system that provided a better standard of education for everyone? If so, which system?
And how does it relate to this cooking/Jamie Oliver based discussion then Zachor?
Would selective schools and differentiated education made all the difference then? Were grammar schools once the powerhouse behind this country's culinary skills. Was Eton once the place where folks ate and learnt the finest cooking traditions
You see my problem here Zachor? And why I think you're being a reflex Tory gobshite with a love of reciting the same old tired, meaningless slurs?
Would selective schools and differentiated education made all the difference then? Were grammar schools once the powerhouse behind this country's culinary skills. Was Eton once the place where folks ate and learnt the finest cooking traditions
You see my problem here Zachor? And why I think you're being a reflex Tory gobshite with a love of reciting the same old tired, meaningless slurs?
Its relevant in so far as the education system has contributed to a considerable degree to the current societal disasters we are seeing afflicting us. An abandonment of old style Home Economics in favour of 'design your own pizza box' style CDT is one symptom of what is wrong. These 'can't feel a spud' types went through schools and were parented by people who went through the state school system so a large proportion of the blame for this shocking and depressing situation must be laid at the door of the education system when from the late 60's onwards was more concerned with levelling down rather than raising people up.
No ALL schools should teach people how to cook from basic materials.
I used to be a socialist gobshite but I grew up and got better
What a load of duplicitous, irrelevant rubbish. I went to a grammar school fwiw – being one of the ‘lucky’ out of borough kids who travelled out from Lambeth to Surrey every day in search of better education. At no point in time did my school, or any of its similar types nearby, offer ‘home economics’ or any type of cooking training - I suspect the girls’ equivalent offered some very basic classes, but ‘housewife’ training was basic and never going to last in a more equitable age.
Besides the standards of cooking were always low in schools – there wasn’t some halcyon age you can hark back to, nor something to be ‘levelled down’ in a school context. Even in the periods around the world wars, many housewives couldn’t cook well or boast varied diets – there was as much a need for the original ‘ministry of food’ and educational/nutritional training as there is now. I note you didn’t you comment on the assertion that the ‘work hard’ long hours culture and the unseemly haste to get into bed with big agribusiness and supermarket chains has had a far more marked effect on food habits in this country than a few hours of cooking at school ever will
You haven’t grown up or got better. You just spout a load of thought-free reactionary crap these days and try and blather when someone confronts you on it. It’s sad actually.
Besides the standards of cooking were always low in schools – there wasn’t some halcyon age you can hark back to, nor something to be ‘levelled down’ in a school context. Even in the periods around the world wars, many housewives couldn’t cook well or boast varied diets – there was as much a need for the original ‘ministry of food’ and educational/nutritional training as there is now. I note you didn’t you comment on the assertion that the ‘work hard’ long hours culture and the unseemly haste to get into bed with big agribusiness and supermarket chains has had a far more marked effect on food habits in this country than a few hours of cooking at school ever will
You haven’t grown up or got better. You just spout a load of thought-free reactionary crap these days and try and blather when someone confronts you on it. It’s sad actually.
