Jamie's Ministry of Food

[Orang Utan]

Why are people saying 'he's a cunt, but I like him'?
Why do people dislike him, but begrudgingly respect him?

 

[mrsfran]

Why are people saying 'he's a cunt, but I like him'?
Why do people dislike him, but begrudgingly respect him?

It is possible to find someone annoying yet like what they do.

 

[Santino]

He was surprised that people thought half an hour to make dinner was a long time...not many working mums are going to be able to give half an hour of undivided attention to cooking in the evening.

My mum somehow managed to cook dinner with two kids in the house and my dad at work. I am sure history could provide many other examples of this feat.

 

[kabbes]

Why are people saying 'he's a cunt, but I like him'?
Why do people dislike him, but begrudgingly respect him?

His mannerisms and general personality are incredibly grating. But he seems to genuinely care about getting people to cook properly, for which I salute him and forgive him his personality defects.

Not so hard to understand, surely?

 

[STFC]

Explain please

In a nutshell: Jamie Oliver has got a few quid so he's fair game for a bit of class-based bashing.

 

[Orang Utan]

Never been to a pawnbrokers?

I didn't see the programme, but why is Oliver confused? Cos she had jewelry to sell in the first place or cos he doesn't understand why people might have to sell it?

 

[kabbes]

My mum somehow managed to cook dinner with two kids in the house and my dad at work. I am sure history could provide many other examples of this feat.

It's a frightening thought, certainly.

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

you're such a charming person.

Just calling it as I see it.


a cheap tin of tomatoes in sainsburys is 21p.

Mince costs NOTHING.

you can get massive bags of pasta and rice in asda for really cheap.

Chicken livers and 99p for half a fucking kilo!

But instead... she chooses to spend £10 a night on dogmenat kebabs from lets face it... my money. And expects sympahy.

She can fuck right off.

She can't say she doesn't have the time cos she doesn't work. and the money excuse is just bullshit.


Lazy.

I've been freinds with pepole like her and the thing about them is that they can ALWAYS find blame and excuses. Never thier fault. Blah Blah Blah. I@m not freinds with them anymore cos none of them actualy realise that the problem is them.

FUck em. And thier ilk.

 

[Santino]

Also could they not give people food vouchers who couldn't afford the ingredients, I really don't know how they think people can afford to buy all the stuff when they're on benefits.

Because cooking your own is vastly, absurdly cheaper than kebabs and other shit takeaway food.

 

[Orang Utan]

His mannerisms and general personality are incredibly grating. But he seems to genuinely care about getting people to cook properly, for which I salute him and forgive him his personality defects.

Not so hard to understand, surely?

I've always found him to an affable young chap with an endearing and idicosyncratic turn of phrase.

 

[mrsfran]

I didn't see the programme, but why is Oliver confused? Cos she had jewelry to sell in the first place or cos he doesn't understand why people might have to sell it?

Neither. She said she got rid of her jewellery, he didn't understand what she meant, so she clarified. That was it. Oliver's not an idiot, he has heard of people pawning stuff before.

 

[Orang Utan]

Just calling it as I see it.


a cheap tin of tomatoes in sainsburys is 21p.

Mice costs NOTHING.

you can get massive bags of pasta and rice in asda for really cheap.

Chicken livers and 99p for half a fucking kilo!

But instead... she chooses to spend £10 a night on dogmenat kebabs from lets face it... my money. And expects sympahy.

She can fuck right off.

She can't say she doesn't have the time cos she doesn't work. and the money excuse is just bullshit.


Lazy.

I've been freinds with pepole like her and the thing about them is that they can ALWAYS find blame and excuses. Never thier fault. Blah Blah Blah. I@m not freinds with them anymore cos none of them actualy realise that the problem is them.

FUck em. And thier ilk.

Their ilk

 

[tarannau]

Innit. Ten quid a night on takeaways and she's complaining she couldn't afford to feed her family any better. Utter rubbish.

I actually quite liked Jaimie's honesty - he admitted he couldn't understand their situation but didn't patronise them. It IS disgraceful that she'd never, ever cooked her children a meal. Cheesy chips and kebabs every night and doesn't even know how to turn the oven on. That's nothing to do with being poor or working class.

That's a little patronising too. She's obviously severely in debt and has been raised with little appreciation or knowledge of food - in many ways she's taking the path of least resistance and the one she's most familiar with. You can get a lot of fried chicken with £2, a far less daunting prospect than learning what to do with more expensive seeming veg.

Folks take it for granted that people are raised around homecooked food and the idea of family dinners gathered around a table. In fact that's a fairly recent regal 'invention' that the middle classes aspired to by all accounts. Britain's never been particularly good at putting food at the centre of the home ime - compare it to other countries where the door's always open and a pot of homecooked food for all always on.

When I went to University I was shocked by just how little many people knew about food. And these were mainly middle class folks with more settled families in the main, their learning taking place with peers at Uni. Many trapped in the takeaway cycle don't have that opportunity to learn with others, nor the motivation or willingness to spend money learning cooking. Food's massively important to me, but I'm not going to waggle fingers at those who don't share the same priorities. If you can't cook, that takeaway offers a depressing satisfying high fat meal for seemingly little.

 

[zenie]

My mum somehow managed to cook dinner with two kids in the house and my dad at work. I am sure history could provide many other examples of this feat.

Yeh but the point is 'we' aren't shown how to cook anymore, and then 'we' have kids and don't know how to cook for them or else just say 'Id on't like cooking' like it's ok, when really it's not ok to feed your kids shit food. All parents know this, it's just easier to ignore it, or you fee lyou can't cook healthily on a budget such a s benefits.

I didn't see the programme, but why is Oliver confused? Cos she had jewelry to sell in the first place or cos he doesn't understand why people might have to sell it?

He's from a privileged background, he lives in a different world to the rest of us.

 

[Santino]

Just calling it as I see it.


a cheap tin of tomatoes in sainsburys is 21p.

Mice costs NOTHING.

you can get massive bags of pasta and rice in asda for really cheap.

Chicken livers and 99p for half a fucking kilo!

But instead... she chooses to spend £10 a night on dogmenat kebabs from lets face it... my money. And expects sympahy.

She can fuck right off.

She can't say she doesn't have the time cos she doesn't work. and the money excuse is just bullshit.


Lazy.

I've been freinds with pepole like her and the thing about them is that they can ALWAYS find blame and excuses. Never thier fault. Blah Blah Blah. I@m not freinds with them anymore cos none of them actualy realise that the problem is them.

FUck em. And thier ilk.

You have some reasonable points to make but unfortunately, like a decent steak that has been overcooked and then slathered in poo, they are lost to us due to your misanthropy and ignorance of the wider social context of the decline of the working class.

 

[Orang Utan]

That's a little patronising too. She's obviously severely in debt and has been raised with little appreciation or knowledge of food - in many ways she's taking the path of least resistance and the one she's most familiar with. You can get a lot of fried chicken with £2, a far less daunting prospect than learning what to do with more expensive seeming veg.

Folks take it for granted that people are raised around homecooked food and the idea of family dinners gathered around a table. In fact that's a fairly recent regal 'invention' that the middle classes aspired to by all accounts. Britain's never been particularly good at putting food at the centre of the home ime - compare it to other countries where the door's always open and a pot of homecooked food for all always on.

When I went to University I was shocked by just how little many people knew about food. And these were mainly middle class folks with more settled families in the main, their learning taking place there. Many trapped in the takeaway cycle don't have that opportunity to learn with others, nor the motivation or willingness to spend money learning cooking. Food's massively important to me, but I'm not going to waggle fingers at those who don't share the same priorities. If you can't cook, that takeaway offers a depressing satisfying high fat meal for seemingly little.

Spot on!

 

[zenie]

Just calling it as I see it.

Says more about you than them though.

 

[STFC]

Mice costs NOTHING.

I know they were northerners, but expecting them to catch rodents to eat is a bit much don't you think?

 

[Chairman Meow]

Mice costs NOTHING.

 

[zenie]

You have some reasonable points to make but unfortunately, like a decent steak that has been overcooked and then slathered in poo, they are lost to us due to your misanthropy and ignorance of the wider social context of the decline of the working class.

Obvious to spot the privileged from their posts innit?

 

[Orang Utan]

He's from a privileged background, he lives in a different world to the rest of us.

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I am surpised though, being from an ignorant middle-class background myself, at why someone on benefits would have jewelry to pawn in the first place.
But I should be the last to lecture people on how to manage their money

 

[Santino]

Yeh but the point is 'we' aren't shown how to cook anymore, and then 'we' have kids and don't know how to cook for them or else just say 'Id on't like cooking' like it's ok, when really it's not ok to feed your kids shit food. All parents know this, it's just easier to ignore it, or you fee lyou can't cook healthily on a budget such a s benefits.

This is true, but the issue I was taking, um, issue with was that the woman couldn't be reasonably expected to find 30 minutes in which to make dinner.

 

[kabbes]

You have some reasonable points to make but unfortunately, like a decent steak that has been overcooked and then slathered in poo, they are lost to us due to your misanthropy and ignorance of the wider social context of the decline of the working class.

I have become lost in your metaphor. Why is a poo-slathered steak part of the wider misanthropic working class again?

 

[N_igma]

Just calling it as I see it.


a cheap tin of tomatoes in sainsburys is 21p.

Mice costs NOTHING.

you can get massive bags of pasta and rice in asda for really cheap.

Chicken livers and 99p for half a fucking kilo!

But instead... she chooses to spend £10 a night on dogmenat kebabs from lets face it... my money. And expects sympahy.

She can fuck right off.

She can't say she doesn't have the time cos she doesn't work. and the money excuse is just bullshit.


Lazy.

I've been freinds with pepole like her and the thing about them is that they can ALWAYS find blame and excuses. Never thier fault. Blah Blah Blah. I@m not freinds with them anymore cos none of them actualy realise that the problem is them.

FUck em. And thier ilk.

Erm.. the whole point of the show is to get people from working class areas to cook cheaply and healthily. There are plenty of middle class types who eat out 2 to 3 nights a week, spending £40+ in a restaurant. Are they lazy cunts devoid of sympathy too? Just because these people are on benefits means they are fair game for a bit of bashing? You come across as a very bitter person imo.

As for Jamie, he's kind of like Gordon Ramsey, lots of people hate him but there's something endearing about him too. I personally think him and Gordon are great and love watching their programs.

 

[zenie]

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I am surpised though, being from an ignorant middle-class background myself, at why someone on benefits would have jewelry to pawn in the first place.
But I should be the last to lecture people on how to manage their money

Put all your money in gold so you can pawn in when you're skint, it works like a very expensive bank loan

 

[Orang Utan]

The fact he was supposed to be telling them all to cook healthily and that bit about obesity slightly ill at odds with the fact HE is FAT!

Shit, that means I'm fat!

 

[Santino]

I am surpised though, being from an ignorant middle-class background myself, at why someone on benefits would have jewelry to pawn in the first place.
But I should be the last to lecture people on how to manage their money

Let's not mention her wasting money on cigarettes.

 

[Orang Utan]

Put all your money in gold so you can pawn in when you're skint, it works like a very expensive bank loan

But if you're on benefits, surely you have no spare money for gold in the first place?

 

[kyser_soze]

Fuck that - I've lived in poverty before and still eaten well - you have to spend some time shopping, finding bargains (and don't tell me that someone who's unemployed doesn't have timeto do either). Tara's point about cooking ignorance is a reason but not an excuse.

 

[kained&able]

Does elizebeth duke count as gold???


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