Jamie Saves Our Bacon

[Kanda]

What's your point?

It has more flavour and is more tender (Kobe/Wagyu) than normal beef. It's left to live longer too, I think a Kobe/Wagyu cow is slaughtered over 1000kg whereas your normal cow is what? 7-800kg? that's what makes the difference, I just like the idea of the bit of cow I am about to eat being a bit of a pisshead like me

 

[madzone]

It has more flavour and is more tender (Kobe/Wagyu) than normal beef. It's left to live longer too, I think a Kobe/Wagyu cow is slaughtered over 1000kg whereas your normal cow is what? 7-800kg? that's what makes the difference, I just like the idea of the bit of cow I am about to eat being a bit of a pisshead like me

Yes, it's the age of it that gives it the marbling and the length of time it's hung after slaughter. We leave ours as long as we can but they have to go under 30 months and my butcher is a twunt who insists on calling me shelley. I was just saying that the massage is a bit of a gimmick (IMVHO)

 

[Kanda]

It's not a gimmick if you care how your cow has been reared

 

[madzone]

It's not a gimmick if you care how your cow has been reared

I bet the cow fucking hates it tbf

And I don't care how it's reared. If it tastes good, fuck it. If it doesn't taste good fuck it till it does

 

[Kanda]

I bet the cow fucking hates it tbf

I'd happily sit and get pissed with a cow then eat it.

 

[madzone]

I'd happily sit and get pissed with a cow then eat it.

Yes, I think you would.


*delete inappropriate comment*

 

[Chz]

To be honest, all the pork we buy tends to be British because the choice is normally that or Danish and I've not been impressed at all by Danish export pork. (The stuff I ate in Copenhagen though... Mmmmm!)

We eat a lot more pork, lamb and beef than chicken purely because of animal welfare issues. Okay, they taste better too. But it helps that you can't abuse a pig, sheep or cow quite as horribly in this country as you can a chicken, turkey or duck. I'm a huge proponent of goose for Christmas on that basis that it's impossible to factory farm them.

 

[pboi]

I watched it, then texted my butcher to recommend that he bring more pork to the market this Saturday because Jamie's doing a good job of selling it.

I did lol at "Borough market is a mecca for pork" though.

he actually said its a 'mecca' for pork?

haha

 

[Awesome Wells]

So yet again another poncy privileged celebrity chef is laying on a guilt trip while simultaneously blaming the public for the failings of the farming industry and the retail sector.

I'm glad I didn't watch this mouthy simpleton try and tell me I should feel guilty for the food I eat.

 

[mrsfran]

So yet again another poncy privileged celebrity chef is laying on a guilt trip while simultaneously blaming the public for the failings of the farming industry and the retail sector.

I'm glad I didn't watch this mouthy simpleton try and tell me I should feel guilty for the food I eat.

So, let's just be very clear, you didn't actually watch it. But feel qualified to comment on it. Right?

How do you feel about sow stalls?

 

[strung out]

since when did knowing anything about a program be a pre-requisite to mouthing off on the internet about it?

 

[Awesome Wells]

So, let's just be very clear, you didn't actually watch it. But feel qualified to comment on it. Right?

How do you feel about sow stalls?

1. why do i need to have watched it to know what it was about? Did it change half way through and become a documentary on French Renaissance painting?

2. I'm not particularly happy about animal welfare (ie the lack thereof), though my understanding was that such stalls exist to prevent the pig from crushing her offspring while they fed. The welfare of the pigs is the responsibility of the farmers and the pig industry.

 

[mrsfran]

1. why do i need to have watched it to know what it was about? Did it change half way through and become a documentary on French Renaissance painting?

2. I'm not particularly happy about animal welfare (ie the lack thereof), though my understanding was that such stalls exist to prevent the pig from crushing her offspring while they fed. The welfare of the pigs is the responsibility of the farmers and the pig industry.

1. Ok then, please give us a summary of what the programme was about. I'd like to know whose viewpoints were represented and what solutions were offered, along with your criticisms of them.

2. You're wrong. As you would know, had you actually watched the programme.

 

[Awesome Wells]

1. Ok then, please give us a summary of what the programme was about. I'd like to know whose viewpoints were represented and what solutions were offered, along with your criticisms of them.

2. You're wrong. As you would know, had you actually watched the programme.

1. Why; it's fairly obvious what the program was about. Did you not watch it?
2. Wrong about what? I said that stalls are not conducive to happy pigdom. That they aren't actually intended to stop sows crushing their piglets isn't really the issue.

 

[mrsfran]

You haven't watched the programme. I am not going to argue with you about it, because that would be the stupidest of internet arguments. Let's just agree that, despite having not actually watching the programme, you feel qualified to criticise it. That speaks for itself.

 

[Awesome Wells]

No let's agree that the purpose of the program was to raise awareness of the condition in which pigs are farmed. I don't need to watch the program and go through all the tortuous heartstring manipulating bollocks to know this. The reality is that these conditions are the responsibility of the farmers not a bunch of middle class housewives and students who act shocked that pigs are intensively farmed. You seem to think that by not watching the program I endorse this treatment. That would be a mistaken view.

 

[mrsfran]

No let's agree that the purpose of the program was to raise awareness of the condition in which pigs are farmed. I don't need to watch the program and go through all the tortuous heartstring manipulating bollocks to know this. The reality is that these conditions are the responsibility of the farmers not a bunch of middle class housewives and students who act shocked that pigs are intensively farmed. You seem to think that by not watching the program I endorse this treatment. That would be a mistaken view.

The programme was, in fact, the complete opposite. It highlighted that here in Britain we treat pigs much better than in other countries. But don't let that get in the way of your prejudices.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Now youre being disingenuous.

 

[ethel]

Well if everyone buying economy switched to buying the organic ranges that would be a substantial amount of demand. Whilst it does cost more to buy in as it costs more to produce, fairly sure the supermarkets make more per unit sale in profit on the organic.

very true. organic/free range, costs about twice as much to produce, but the mark up is often 4 to 6 times!

 

[Sunray]

Shit show.

Its a food version of top gear but without the humour. Standing crowd in a big place with criss cross lighting scaffold, the presenters doing weird stuff. People being asked for opinions, once in the spot light saying that they will do what's asked safe in the knowledge that if they don't, nobody will know.

Jamie Oliver realising and trivialising their responses.

Getting people to watch the slaughter of a Pig for no obvious reason.

How many people can afford roast a shoulder of pork for 6 hours. It might be really cheap to buy, but running your oven for 6 hours isn't.

 

[pboi]

well how big was the shoulder? when I cook a shoulder its in for 2-3

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

well how big was the shoulder? when I cook a shoulder its in for 2-3

The pig shoulder was MASSIVE.

And would have easily fed at least 6.

I think pig shoulder isok in for 2 or three, I think 6 hours is for proper melt in your mouthness. depending on the size of the ebast too obviously.

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

Now youre being disingenuous.

I don't think she is.

Why comment on something that you havn't seen? And then get your facts wrong about the programmecompletely?

Sow stalls arn't used to birth pigs. If you'dwatched the programme you'd know. I@d suggest you watch the first 20 minutes on the channel 4 version of iplayer, if you want to miss the "preaching" bit... which isn't actually preaching. BUt then you didn't watch the programme so you won't know that.

It's as laughable as complaining about brass eye when you din't watch it... cos like.... peadophiles are bad, and you shouldn't joke about it.

 

[Awesome Wells]

I don't think she is.

Why comment on something that you havn't seen? And then get your facts wrong about the programmecompletely?

Sow stalls arn't used to birth pigs. If you'dwatched the programme you'd know. I@d suggest you watch the first 20 minutes on the channel 4 version of iplayer, if you want to miss the "preaching" bit... which isn't actually preaching. BUt then you didn't watch the programme so you won't know that.

It's as laughable as complaining about brass eye when you din't watch it... cos like.... peadophiles are bad, and you shouldn't joke about it.

I don't need to have seen it to know what it's about; like most tv shows.

I didn't saw sow stalls where for giving birth to pigs. If you put aside your indignation for five minutes and read what I said you'd understand this.

Why should I buy into his middle class guilt trip; it's not the customer's fault for the way the food is manufactured. If Oliver doesn't like it then tough shit. We're in a recession, though I doubt he's noticed.

 

[madzone]

Oh awesome, you're such a twat

 

[Spymaster]

I didn't saw sow stalls where for giving birth to pigs.

Drugs or alcohol?