poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
A celebrity says "jump" and we uncritically ask "how high?" is what's wrong with it.
Jamie Oliver's School Dinners Debate
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kyser_soze
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poster342002 said:
Ah what, as opposed to 150 years ago when it would have been a local labour agitator, or Chartist or someone else telling 'you proles' to jump? And more than a few parents were also cricitcal of JO for a number of reasons - it was all covered in the press quite heavily.
You have no argument - this isn't about repression of dissent. All JO has done is provide a message and people have acted on it.
And your constant snide remarks about him being a celebrity etc show that you don't really understand how popular movements throughout history have started and spread do you? 200 years ago, would you have been the prole at the back telling someone who was talking about workers rights to shut up because 'we proles don't need anyone to raise the issues'?
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poster342002 said:
So if a 'celeb' starts raising awareness about something that is clearly wrong/dangerous you're going to cover your ears and go 'lalalalala' just because it's a celebrity who is saying it?
Would you carry on feeding crap to your children just because someone you don't like is giving advice? Talk about shooting yourself in the foot...
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Remember how towards the fag-end of the John Major era we were assailed with a barrage of media-led, patriarchal "moral crusades" one after the other (which nobody could object to in principle on pain of ridicule)? This has that same whiff about it.
Anyway - to answer the OP - some sort of shift has to occur in the general perception of what easy food is before it becomes second nature to feed your family better at home and I think schools have some responsability towards what the kids eat during the daytime.
And I'm afraid I don't see why kids need to leave the school premises at all during school hours - at least not until A-level age. Why do they need to go out if not to visit the shops?
And I'm afraid I don't see why kids need to leave the school premises at all during school hours - at least not until A-level age. Why do they need to go out if not to visit the shops?
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Well, when middle-class types parachute into a working-class area and start hectoring, they often do get that sort of reaction.kyser_soze said:
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Oh Idaho you patriarchal moraliser you. Jump in an envelope and post yourself back to the Victorian era.Idaho said:
poster342002 said:
I think that is the area he's going to have to be most careful in actually - as what he's saying with increasing fervour is that there is a lot of bad parenting going on out there and he'll lose support if people feel too heavily criticised. When he was being positive as well as showing the truth of what the kids were eating he got more encouraging results.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Neither were most of the Major-era ones. They were media-driven by the "news"papers which then led to howls for "something to be done".PieEye said:
Idaho
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It's a fools argument, and all too often brandished on U75. The idea that educating people on something they are clearly needing to be educated on is a bad thing because it is patriachal and moralising. Bollocks. What's truely patronising is treating people with kid gloves and trying desperately not to offend them by telling them what they are doing is a very bad idea and that x is a better way.poster342002 said:
poster342002 said:
I still don't get what the problem is. It's the only useful steps I've seen this government take in child nutrition - it needs someone who knows about it and has some clout to make them do that.
Are you sceptical because you think he'll jack it in? He got a promise for 6 more years of funding from Tony Blair on screen last night - I'm not dumb enough to think the government is incapable of backing down on that (even if they do stay in office) but to stop that happening we need someone to keep on at them. I think he will - he's stuck to it for 3 years so far.
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oh do shut up Poster!
I really for love nor money know what your problem is, what does this discussion have to do with classes? Last time I checked he waanted to feed kids better REGARDLESS of class.
It's not like he's parading around in prada and making obscene amounts of money out of it.
From what I can see JO has put alot of time and effort and sllepless nights into what he belives is a genuinely good cause. And what is even better to see is that it hasn't gone to his head unlike the Bono/Geldof syndrome I truly despise.
The man is doing good worthwhile work. And while it sucks that politicians will happily ignore ! million people on a march but listen to a single celbrity, it still happens. So at least jamie is using his "celebrity" voice in a positive way rather than just selling his wedding photo's to Hello.
I really for love nor money know what your problem is, what does this discussion have to do with classes? Last time I checked he waanted to feed kids better REGARDLESS of class.
It's not like he's parading around in prada and making obscene amounts of money out of it.
From what I can see JO has put alot of time and effort and sllepless nights into what he belives is a genuinely good cause. And what is even better to see is that it hasn't gone to his head unlike the Bono/Geldof syndrome I truly despise.
The man is doing good worthwhile work. And while it sucks that politicians will happily ignore ! million people on a march but listen to a single celbrity, it still happens. So at least jamie is using his "celebrity" voice in a positive way rather than just selling his wedding photo's to Hello.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
poster342002 said:
Which ones would those be? Dangerous Dogs Act - something that has been admitted as being a mistake? Back to Basics? Never an actual policy and shown up as a joke by the actions of tory MPs.
Come on, give some examples.
No it's not - he's spouting absolute bollocks here, no real argument beyond 'JO is a celebrity and so therefore this is crap'.
Spanner in the works...
Did anyone see the article in yesterday's Guardian about the school canteen companies threatening to quit if they are nopt paid more? http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,,1875136,00.html Due to the fact that the kids are not buying from them anymore - they're going to the shops instead - as they are not stocking the bad food that they've been used to.
A very frustrating situation.
Did anyone see the article in yesterday's Guardian about the school canteen companies threatening to quit if they are nopt paid more? http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,,1875136,00.html Due to the fact that the kids are not buying from them anymore - they're going to the shops instead - as they are not stocking the bad food that they've been used to.
A very frustrating situation.What needs to happen is education from a young age re, nutrition. The changing of kids perceptions about food, before the problems start. Of course this doesn't solve the problem of bad eating habits at home. It's a huge job all in all and would need to involve educating parents or something... as I say, a very big campaign.OP said:
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Sorry - I now realise the error of my ways. I hearby resolve to join in with the recieved wisdom and insert my nose obediantly up JO's backside - although I imagine it'll be a bit crowded in there.
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All hail the new saint for our age! Until, of course, the media tell us to worship a new one - then I'll accordingly go along with that, too.
Media-led opinion; the practical alternative to thinking for one's self.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Clearly this amazing phenomenon isn't all that popular witht those who have to actually eat the stuff. Better install perimiter fences, searchlights and guard patrols around the exits to the schools then.Vixen said:Did anyone see the article in yesterday's Guardian about the school canteen companies threatening to quit if they are nopt paid more? http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,,1875136,00.html Due to the fact that the kids are not buying from them anymore - they're going to the shops instead - as they are not stocking the bad food that they've been used to.
Nice reply there. Ignoring everyone's questions
Vixen - that came up in the programme last night - he has to keep on top of everyone or standards slipped and the kids dropped out of the system. Too much work for one person so if it does go nationwide it'll need a dedicated scheme.
(Edit - just realised I'm talking about a totally different issue here
didn't read your post properly)
Vixen - that came up in the programme last night - he has to keep on top of everyone or standards slipped and the kids dropped out of the system. Too much work for one person so if it does go nationwide it'll need a dedicated scheme.
(Edit - just realised I'm talking about a totally different issue here
didn't read your post properly)And with refernce to Jamie Oliver and the heated debate that has taken place on this thread. I am educated in, and work in, health promotion (with particular reference at the moment to children & young people) and in the years that I have had knowledge of this area I have only seen one (I think) health promotion strategy as successful as Jamie Oliver's thing. This was implemented by Health Psychogists and involved putting a gym in a school to encourage exercise. Health Psychologists are up against funding issues, government crap all the time. Whilst the knowledge and theory is there, actually implementing something like this is a bit of a difficulty to say the least. So if a celebrity gets involved and makes it work (or at least gets the ball rolling where others have failed previously) then f*cking well be glad of it!
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Yeah - bring on the food stasi.PieEye said:
poster342002 said:Clearly this amazing phenomenon isn't all that popular witht those who have to actually eat the stuff. Better install perimiter fences and gaurds around the exits to the schools then.
as I said - when there wasn't someone ensuring recipes were followed and the food was delivered at the right temps etc, problems ensued - ie the food obviously wasn't so palatable.
This was in an area where none of the schools had kitchens so they were getting local businesses involved and delivering the meals.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
I O-BEY!!Vixen said:if a celebrity gets involved and makes it work (or at least gets the ball rolling where others have failed previously) then f*cking well be glad of it!
Stupid post.poster342002 said:
Do you really think that people on here don't find the whole celebrity thing just slightly annoying. He's an annoying celeb, I doubt anyone's denying that. But is it really worth clinging onto this and harping on and on about it. Why is this such a sole focus for you?
Why not just be glad that some minor change with regards to kids eating habits might actually take place.
BTW You sound like an *expert* to me I have to say
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