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Jamie's Restaurant. Do we want it?

  • No, a thousand times no. He is the spawn of Satan.

    Votes: 15 40.5%
  • Yes! I drool in anticipation.

    Votes: 8 21.6%
  • Not arsed either way.

    Votes: 14 37.8%

  • Total voters
    37

hendo

Fish finger sandwiches
The naked chef is said (admittedly by the Standard quoting BBG staff) to have been poking about Brady's with a view to starting a follow up to his Eastend restaurant "15".

This is a place so popular even Bill Clinton can't get in unless he books two months in advance. Restaurant reviewers tremble and swoon when faced with its sumptuous fare.

But it may be "excluding" (of former US Presidents at any rate) and some have found Jamie's mannerisms an issue.

So what do we think?
 
hendo said:
It deserves its own thread and a poll! :D
And besides, they've started arguing about Cuba in there now FFS.

My issue here is that there is a significant part of the Brixton community whose incomes don't allow them to go here on anything like a regular basis -in other words more exclusion, in the most fundamental sense of all; MONEY

He was actually in the year above me at college back in the day when i was studying to be a chef, you knew something was up, as he always seemed to have loads of people hanging round him and a few female groupies aswell, i worked wiht him once - he's actually a really nice bloke, maybe fame has gone to his head, he's moving to America soon... He's got the dollars and the fancy ideas, but its not needed in Brixton
 
Well, I'd hate to see that beautiful building sink into more disrepair and not being used by anyone. I thought it was earmarked for flats though.......
 
Initially I was dead keen on the idea of a JO restaurant in the old Brady's building. I think it would generate some positive publicity for the area, really put the area on the map in restaurant terms, bring a lot of people in, with their money.

Thinking about it at greater length though, I'm not sure. I think it might actually be a bridge too far. There's no way people round here would get a look in in a place like that, though maybe the staff would be local kids.

There's quite a delicate balance to be struck in Brixton, as many here have observed. A think a "15" might tip it too far the wrong way and create really quite serious resentment.

But whatever happens to Brady's is going to need the injection of serious money; and that raises the odds of whatever happens there as being something like "15", since the public money isn't there for it to be something the whole community can use.
 
I'd like Brady's to revert back to being a community pub, with its back room used for local bands, drama groups, theatre productions, meetings etc.

Brixton desperately needs a small theatre/gig venue to provide an outlet for its immense local talent.

We don't need a rubber lipped toff who, at the first sign of trouble or a dip in the economy - would be off like a fucking shot, I'd wager.
 
I'd like to see the building turned into something that has nothing at all to do with either alcohol or the night economy, well away from the notion that Brixton is an evening pleasure zone for young people with disposable income.

Somewhere that provides daytime employment and facilities for locals, whether retail, office or industrial would be far preferable.
 
hendo said:
Initially I was dead keen on the idea of a JO restaurant in the old Brady's building. I think it would generate some positive publicity for the area, really put the area on the map in restaurant terms, bring a lot of people in, with their money.

Thinking about it at greater length though, I'm not sure. I think it might actually be a bridge too far. There's no way people round here would get a look in in a place like that, though maybe the staff would be local kids.

There's quite a delicate balance to be struck in Brixton, as many here have observed. A think a "15" might tip it too far the wrong way and create really quite serious resentment.

But whatever happens to Brady's is going to need the injection of serious money; and that raises the odds of whatever happens there as being something like "15", since the public money isn't there for it to be something the whole community can use.

This sounds like fence sitting to me Hendo.Your last paragraph seems to say its going to happen anyway.As for arguing about Cuba on the other thread-it wasnt me that started it.It was one of the two new posters on that thread-who I think are Trolls anyway-telling posters with "communistic views" to go and live in Cuba.

Bradys was closed as part of the Brixton Challenge "regeneration" of Brixton.It didnt close due to business failure etc.That whole area behind the Tube station is supposedly going to be redeveloped.An area blighted by "regeneration" proposals.A popular local pub fucked off out of the area.

Of course all this gets slowly forgotten.It looks several years down the line just another corner of "rundown" Brixton that needs thrusting "entrepreneurs" to "revitalise" it.They can all fuck off.Too right it will cause resentment.
 
Red Jezza said:
ummm...you're not up to a wee bit of mischief-making here, are you Hendo?

Thats what I wondered.Im not doing the poll as I dont like the wording of it and people dont necessarily know the background to the closure of Bradys.
 
I don't think I'm fence sitting so much as moving from one side of it to the other! And I never accused you of starting the discussion about Cuba, Gramsci. I thought I'd heard the last of "go and live in Cuba" when I left the sixth form.

I take your point about mischief making, but we've had some good responses and the Mods are free to bin the thread/poll if its not seen as within "tonality".

As for the background on Brady's, I cheerfully admit my ignorance and wait for enlightenment, since you are one of the three frequent posters with expert knowledge of the area's planning history.

What did happen there? And why has that site sat rotting for so long?
 
From what I remember of the site its what I said in my last post.Bradys was closed for supposed "regeneration" of the area behind the tube station.Not for any other reason such as business failure.Therefore a popular functioning pub was closed.

As I said to anyone coming to the area it might appear that its another bit of Brixton left to rot and underused.This was not the case.
 
as ex-Bradys squat resident I think my main gripe would actually be the loss of the main concert room bar under the existing redevelopment proposals.

for some who may not have been inside (or even those who have) a reminder of what we did to clear out that room and get it up an running again http://club.net-art.ws/bradys/ during the squat

when we were evicted 5/08/02 it eventually emerged that they did expect to have started redevelpment work that October but the partnership of Lambeth council, a Housing Association and a private partner fell apart with the consquence that we have since being paid for a couple of drunk security guards to be there 24/7. One story has it that the private partner was Rail Track but when they realised that any serious structural work to Bradys would be liable to bring down their bridge/railway in the process they pulled out. Another explantion is that they still haven't decided where air shaft from new tube station should come up behind (or through) Bradys.

The existing development plan asserts that the back end of Bradys including the main concert bar is of a different age to the Clock tower for which the building is primarily Grade 2 listed. Therefore they assert they are free to build a five story block of flats on the back end. This is actually untrue, the main back room is a typical turn of last century South London afternoon concert room with skylights in its ceiling. The floor above the main bar however is a later addition.

The obvious in their redevelopment is that it is clear that this proposed block of flats is not intended as social housing, being in an entirely unsuitable area and position for anybody with kids, but as money spinners for the development partners, being urban pads for the rich, 1 minutes form the tube and now seemingly 30 seconds from JO's latest nosh hole.

Brady's to me is the quintissential stuctural heart of Brixton. Brixton is a crossroads (and cross lines) place where people meet and exchange from all directions. Some of us like to be permanently stationed at crossroads, some of us just take a while to decide where we want to go next, this is the nature of Brixton. Brady's is physically part of that cross roads, one of my bedroom walls was the side of the bridge taking freight trains at night (the place wobbles rather than shakes) and I looked directly into the Eurostar from my breakfast table. The eight sided clock about sums up things.

Though diverse food culture is part of Brixton, and I think improving, with addition recently both of more Columbian restaurants and 66 Atlantic, I think broader arts and culture should be realised as essence of positive Brixton life.

The big South London pub with back room Concert hall is becoming a threatened species, we have lost at least five in the last two years in the immediate area, all to property speculators (and over priced beer). There is in fact no small to middling venue for live perfarmance in central Brixton any more. Yet the demand is there, witness the Messengers of God last weekend in the Albert (well done Pat, Richie, Will et al for their efforts there recently). A small venue is necessary both to encouraging emerging bands and letting us get live music and other arts before they hit the big time, the Acedemy etc.

In addition to the Concert Room, Bradys also had a multiplicaty of rooms above to store visiting artists! Somethign that is special problem London wide, and which made the potential while we were putting on open_digi digital arts there particularly great.

yet again Lambeth missed an opportunity for real social benefit, has lost a a heap of money in the process unecessarily, and will end yet more speckled with rich zombies with no commitment or social contact with the area.

laters
atty
 
Top post Atty. Dont know if we know each other, but may I take this opportuniy to thank you and your mates for some really brilliant nights out back then.:)

I used to frequent Bradys before it was squatted also, I always remember it pretty busy, particularly the front bars. Its closure is a real loss to Brixton. As Atty, editor and others have said, Brixton really needs a venue like this, there is no other comparison space wise.The idea of a working theatre/caberet space is just wicked, blimey, I wish I had some bloody cash, I'd so love to run a venue like that.

As for JO, personally I've nothing against him, quite like him in a motherly sort of way. ;) I wouldn't mind if he came to Brixton, but please, not in Bradys, the place needs and deserves, to be proper entertainment venue accessable for all.
 
Really interesting post, Atty. I now have a much greater understanding of what Brady's used to be. I agree with Aurora Green -- I don't mind if Jamie Oliver comes to Brixton because by all accounts he is a genuinely nice man who has actually tried to help working class kids with his 15 venture -- but not Brady's.
 
If JO's opening a restaurant in Brixton is it going to be a TV sequel to the original '15' show? :confused:

If so I presume the makers will want to play up the good points (giving local kids an opportunity etc) and avoid negative publicity. Hopefully it may mean that they are willing to engage with the community and take on board local peoples views.

I hope Im not being too optimistic in thinking that the local people may be able to get more influence over a development like this that needs good publicity than some anonymous business types who dont give a damn.
 
A Considered Compromise

OK, How's about this?

As far as I can see, there'd be nothing inherently bad about Jamie's restaurant enterprise opening up in town, if he's going to bust a gut to train up locals so locals can work there and benefit from it as he did up near Old Street...
(of course, how much money Jamie earns from the enterprise compared to the lucky kids is another issue, along with the wider background of a society where we're all so grateful on behalf of the local needy underpriviledged kids to someone famous who takes the time to train local staff to do a job well :eek:, rather than concern ourselves for the possible reasons why we're living in a society where it takes the benevolence of somebody rich and famous (ok, and a little imagination and tenacity) for this to happen rather than being the norm.... ;) )
But I'd agree, the wider possibilities that Brady's would otherwise offer are too good to miss out on for what would also be, at the end of the day, an expensive restaurant that few could visit often if at all...
So....
How about we offer him the McDonald's/KFC site, and we'll have Brady's? Everybody's Happy!


Edited to add:
With you there that it's a fucking shame that there's not many of the these pubs with proper stages left around... I work in a gig venue in the centre of town, and while lots of live music is really popular at the moment, which is great, things can get a little monotonous when most of the live music venues in a city as big as this are corporate owned places which, whether by accident or design, end up serving only the major promoter's interests....
 
manfrompub said:
... if he's going to bust a gut to train up locals so locals can work there and benefit from it as he did up near Old Street...
Forgive me if I think Jamie's definition of 'busting a gut' pails into complete insignificance compared to what most 'non-celeb' people do to pay the bills.
 
Agree with Atty & Others

Here's my take

I think it's a bad idea. Jamie and his band of media types opening up a "Exclusive" type restaurant in Brixton when more than half of the community are crying out for cheap social housing :mad:

This don't wash with me i'm afraid. Ok so he will give some of the local kids work experience and a job which is fine, but what will the local community on the whole benefit from this?

Do we actually need a restaurant like this in Brixton? So what if Brixton will get more attention and recognition? Who will the recognition benefit in the long term?

I've got nothing against Jamie Oliver...but one of his restaurants isn't what Brixton needs.
 
manfrompub said:
OK, How's about this?
How about we offer him the McDonald's/KFC site, and we'll have Brady's? Everybody's Happy!

er, so the current clientelle of McD/KFC trade in very popular, cheap places for a flash eaterie for the rich and yet another facility for predominantly white trendies.

Are you going to hand out leaflets by Woolworth campaigning for that? :eek:

manfrompub said:
I work in a gig venue in the centre of town, and while lots of live music is really popular at the moment, which is great, things can get a little monotonous when most of the live music venues in a city as big as this are corporate owned places which, whether by accident or design, end up serving only the major promoter's interests....

It doesn't matter who own or runs the site the economics will remain. Someone will have to pump a lot of money into the building to get it up & running again. To pay that back the building will have to be profitable, which means whatever goes there will have to maximise income. Doesn't that preclude a place that put on small bands or caberet for a cheap night out?

Or are you going suggest that your gig space is worthy of heaps of public subsidy?
 
Most likely explanation is that this is just people at the new restaurant talking up their location.

But it's true, that's such a splendid building it would be a shame if it were put out of public use, or only available to people who use up-market restaurants.

Perhaps it would be a good place for the Oval Theatre, who want to move into Brixton?
 
Do they?

I'd certainly support a real theatre as being about the only night/entertainment venture that would actually enhance Brixton. Whether a building that noisy would work for theatre is another issue though.
 
Deborah Bestwick asked the Council to adopt the Theatre as a
major project and to support its plans as the Theatre was keen to
move to Brixton failure of which it would be prepared to offer other
options on the present site.

(BAC 3rd Nov 2003)

(It's possible of course that the Theatre reallyw ants to stay put but felt the Brixton relocation bit would garner support from Brixton Area Cttee? I don't know enough of the background to say)

You're right though, I hadn't thought of the railway - endless reruns of Brief Encounter alternating with the Railway Children might get tedious. That said, the digi event was pretty quiet and I don't recall the railway being that intrusive - perhaps I've just blanked it from my memory?
 
Some excellant posts from Atty,Manfrompub(welcome new poster :) ) and CK1977.Usual downer from Newbie to round it off ;) .Tried google to see if more info on the Brixton Central Site but could not find anything(except U75 threads).Their should be info in planning about it if I have time to look.
 
I'm amazed no one has made the obvious point that JO is a right c**t.

The only evidence that might even slightly contradict this statement of the obvious was his '15' venture. I watched the TV programme (which was very strangely gripping) with an open mind but quite quickly concluded that the whole escapade was another outlet for his gigantic ego, coupled with a not-at-all altruistic wish to 'rescue' those kids to salve his own conscience.
 
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