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Jack White - genius?

Jack White - genius?

  • Yes - unbridled talent, stripped and unleashed

    Votes: 9 12.9%

  • No, good musician though

    Votes: 45 64.3%

  • No, hes just copying others

    Votes: 7 10.0%

  • winegums

    Votes: 9 12.9%
  • Total voters
    70
Doesn't geniuses these days need to do something both unprecedented and inspiring these days? Being a highly competent guitarist and making a fine old racket wouldn't have cut the mustard back then, let me tell you.

It's standards gone mad I tells you.
:mad:
 
Cheesypoof said:
that wasnt funny!

you are being lazy again :p

now either explain why you dont think Jack White is genius or bugger off back to nobbin and sobbin

:)
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Cheesy, you're a sweet girl and all but these threads are no more than the written equivalent of night emissions.
 
tarannau said:
Doesn't geniuses these days need to do something both unprecedented and inspiring these days? Being a highly competent guitarist and making a fine old racket wouldn't have cut the mustard back then, let me tell you.

It's standards gone mad I tells you.
:mad:
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Thank you for your contribution, tarranau.
 
Why isn't Jack White a genius? Talented musician (and sexy beast:o) that he is, I think his contributions to music are ephemeral rather than long lasting - do you really believe in 25 years time people will be listening to him who weren't even born at this moment?

He's not someone who completely rocks the music world to its foundations and makes an unforgettable contribution.

Therefore no genius, but I'm rather glad he's around :).
 
Cheesypoof said:
i dont mind if no one agrees with me!!!

Just explain WHY!!!

pretend you are a barrister in courtroom or something.

c'mon, dont be lazy!!

:)
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I put it to you Miss Cheesypoof,

that there is a simple flaw in your argument.

You are asking why people don't think Jack White cuts the mustard. Most people are saying that he does cut the mustard, but he's no genius.

This is because they have a different definition of the word Genius.

QED
 
Maggot said:
I put it to you Miss Cheesypoof,

that there is a simple flaw in your argument.

You are asking why people don't think Jack White cuts the mustard. Most people are saying that he does cut the mustard, but he's no genius.

This is because they have a different definition of the word Genius.

QED
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I meant 'cut the mustard as a genius' or, in their world QUALIFY.

good post though!

Respect!! :cool:
 
All you really have to do is listen to him cover "Jolene". Fuck me. :cool:

That is genius, and so is Jack White.

One of the greatest guitar players we're ever likely to see in our lifetimes imo. :)

He's had his stinkers, but every artist does, they pale in comparison to his/their towering successes. Imo again, of course. :)
 
Why don't we start by defining what the general characteristics of a genius are, then we can see which of those apply to geniuses in the msuical sphere, then we can try to determine which of those apply to Mr. White. You know, analyse this logically? Instead of throwing the word around like confetti.

Maybe Cheesy would like to begin.
 
i think he's definitely got a certain something that makes him stand out - but i'd hesitate to call anyone a genius tbh.
 
Me too, as I'm not at all sure what it means. I'm not even sure what the assessment criteria are. It used to be the case that you could reasonably call someone an idiot if they had an IQ of 20 or below but these days the term has become more generalised, so that no-one's sure who's an idiot and who isn't anymore. Genius has always been more elusive to define, with some assessors specifying a minimum IQ of 140 and others putting the requirement as high as 180 - so not even the experts can agree what the cut-off point is for long enough to administer a culturally-biased IQ test. Of course it's doubtful whether problem-solving ability, or whatever it is that IQ tests measure, correlate in any useful way at all with 'musical talent' (whatever that is), so I don't think the more conventional metrics apply. You're left grasping for all kinds of esoteric criteria that defy clear definition.

And that's where I'm hoping that Cheesy will be able to help us out. Until then, I submit that the term 'musical genius' has no common currency and is based on unsystematic, vaguely-defined, ad hoc criteria that vary widely from one individual to the next. Maybe that's why Cheesy insists on a subjective definition of the term. Perhaps she's readily grasped what I'm struggling with - the impossibility of establishing a set of solid, stable criteria against which all candidates can be measured to the satisfaction of all interested parties. Nevertheless I'd submit that, until that can be done, any conclusions we can draw are meaningless and not worthy of further discussion. How many people would lazily agree that Bach and Mozart are musical geniuses without ever being able to clearly explain why to themselves or to others? It's not a conclusion I can subscribe to nor demur from without being able to put it on some kind of measured, rational footing.

Cheesy, over to you.
 
Cheesypoof said:
possibly. Hes cryptic. Remember he beat up some other fella, nd then made a southern gent apology, i loved that. Hes well sexy too. Cryptic.

one thing jack white needs to do is stop meg singing:( though i do like her! She provides a chillaxe foil for his ferocity. When i saw them at ally pally and he plays from his side to her, they kind of rock backwards and forwards, in a sexual proposition 'sparring,' like wild animals.:D
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For someone who disdains "analysis", you don't half read some stuff into stuff, Cheesy.

"A chillaxe foil for his ferocity" indeed!:p
 
Hi-ASL said:
Why don't we start by defining what the general characteristics of a genius are, then we can see which of those apply to geniuses in the msuical sphere, then we can try to determine which of those apply to Mr. White. You know, analyse this logically? Instead of throwing the word around like confetti.

Maybe Cheesy would like to begin.
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i have done already, earlier in the thread but I think its a powerful force that drives through the artist and then rips out your soul and shakes it around for a bit, transporting you somewhere else for a while that doesnt feel like earth. That is the 'sign' for me. Makes sense?

:)
 
Cheesypoof said:
i have done already, earlier in the thread but I think its a powerful force that drives through the artist and then rips out your soul and shakes it around for a bit, transporting you somewhere else for a while that doesnt feel like earth. That is the 'sign' for me. Makes sense?

:)
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Cheesypoof said:
i have done already, earlier in the thread but I think its a powerful force that drives through the artist and then rips out your soul and shakes it around for a bit, transporting you somewhere else for a while that doesnt feel like earth. That is the 'sign' for me. Makes sense?

:)
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At the University of Basingstoke (which I'm sure now exists) there's probably a "creative writing" course, in which you can do a "pretentious 70s NME journo-as-pseudo-star" module. The above reads like the product of just such a course. :p
 
Cheesypoof said:
i have done already, earlier in the thread but I think its a powerful force that drives through the artist and then rips out your soul and shakes it around for a bit, transporting you somewhere else for a while that doesnt feel like earth. That is the 'sign' for me. Makes sense?

:)
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Honestly, Cheesy, as much as i'm pretty sure you're a nice lass and all but do you really talk this much bollocks in real life? or is it just a persona you put on when posting here?

Why not just say "yeah, his music's great, I really love it, the white stripes are great live/on cd" surely that suffices doesn't it? rather than all this talk of ripping out souls etc. That sort of talk is best left to the medium of songs, poems and wanky music critics.
 
Hi-ASL said:
And that's where I'm hoping that Cheesy will be able to help us out. Until then, I submit that the term 'musical genius' has no common currency and is based on unsystematic, vaguely-defined, ad hoc criteria that vary widely from one individual to the next. Maybe that's why Cheesy insists on a subjective definition of the term. Perhaps she's readily grasped what I'm struggling with - the impossibility of establishing a set of solid, stable criteria against which all candidates can be measured to the satisfaction of all interested parties.
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I'm all for mocking Cheesy but surely you realise what a dullard you sound here?
 
Cheesypoof said:
i have done already, earlier in the thread but I think its a powerful force that drives through the artist and then rips out your soul and shakes it around for a bit, transporting you somewhere else for a while that doesnt feel like earth. That is the 'sign' for me. Makes sense?
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that just sounds like a great orgasm to me :)
 
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