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Jack Straw is Minister of Justice. David Milliband - Foriegn Secretary really would have been a disaster. Sticking with D. Davis for tories : Are there potential governments that you wouldn't trust with your biometric data?
Jack Straw vs Nick Griffin on Question Time
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Jack Straw is Minister of Justice. David Milliband - Foriegn Secretary really would have been a disaster. Sticking with D. Davis for tories : Are there potential governments that you wouldn't trust with your biometric data?
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I'd like to see Bob Crow go on there against Griffin...
I think Straw's a decent choice. He'll be the voice of calm reason but quietly egg Griffin on and let him reveal himself for the vile racist he is. And Ian Hislop would be a very good choice for pinioning Griffin when he does. For the Tories' representative, how about a thrusting young blade like Adam Afriye?
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
And Straw's a not-so-crypto-fascist anyway.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I think Griffin's a decent choice. He'll be the voice of calm reason but quietly egg Straw on and let him reveal himself for the vile authoritarian he is etc
straw is part jewish you know
nazis vs jews on live tv
i might go just so i can start chanting ''dimbleby, dimbleby'' when they start hitting eachother with chairs
next i wanna see gevais vs baddiel on one of those commedy quiz shows
half the audience with placards saying ''go jews'', ''doilies 4 eva'', ''dont forget we're so badly done to'' and ''buy your kidneys here'' and the other half with placards saying ''kill all the jews rofl'' and so on
nazis vs jews on live tv
i might go just so i can start chanting ''dimbleby, dimbleby'' when they start hitting eachother with chairs
next i wanna see gevais vs baddiel on one of those commedy quiz shows
half the audience with placards saying ''go jews'', ''doilies 4 eva'', ''dont forget we're so badly done to'' and ''buy your kidneys here'' and the other half with placards saying ''kill all the jews rofl'' and so on
i wonder how they'll handle the questioning on this programme. will it become a sort of bnp special. or will there be a couple of questions on the topic and the rest fairly general. if a green politician is on the programme then not all of the questions are about global warming, the environment etc so how will they handle it with griffin? surely a lot of questions will be on general topics of the day such as education, the economy etc and it will be up to the other panellists to keep on pulling things back to the bnp's real nature.
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
No he isn't. What gives you grounds for describing Jack Straw as a fascist? I think you know better.
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
Good article by Fraser Nelson in The Spectator advocating that Jon Cruddas would have been a good choice for Labour.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Cruddas would be a disaster. Firstly he has the constituency with the highest number of BNP candidates. Secondly his expertise on the BNP is essentially that New Labour have chased the middle class floating voter at the expense of their traditional older working class vote, that there is pressure on social housing and that New labour needs to change tack because of this.
Against Griffin he would end up having to defend New Labour on those very issues.
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
Well he wouldn't would he as he isn't and never has been a government minister so he can remain aloof from the New Labour machine and criticise them as an "outsider". Which is why from the viewpoint of Labour he would be their best choice.
Confirmed 22nd October in London- UAF will be picketing this to prevent it going ahead.
Anyway, one bit of advice for anyone who intends to get tickets for this, from my experience as audence member
You will be asked by phone beforehand by their researchers your views on political events of the day to see if your are coherent and your voting intentions, in order to get a rough political balance. Therefore, you may need to be a bit less than truthful to get a seat as to admitting your true political views. They are unlikely to allow more than a handful of avowed socialists and anarchists in
You will also have you bag searched on the way in.
Anyway, one bit of advice for anyone who intends to get tickets for this, from my experience as audence member
You will be asked by phone beforehand by their researchers your views on political events of the day to see if your are coherent and your voting intentions, in order to get a rough political balance. Therefore, you may need to be a bit less than truthful to get a seat as to admitting your true political views. They are unlikely to allow more than a handful of avowed socialists and anarchists in
You will also have you bag searched on the way in.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Cruddas has deputy leadership hopes post-election - many in the party are touting him as the left half of a right-left dream ticket with miliband or Johnson - (the he's seen as left-wing itself shows how fucked they are) he's not going to go on QT and attack the party or its policies in a general election year, not unless he wants to give up those hopes.
I would imagine the BBC will be encouraging it. All great publicity for the show.
Is the QT line up within the gift of Gordon Brown?
I thought it was a BBC programme.
Why? If picketing prevents this going ahead, it would be another victory against the BNP-
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
First off Jim, it won't stop it. Will never ever ever happen.
And second, another victory? Where/what were the others?
And second, another victory? Where/what were the others?
If UAF were able to kettle up the BNP for 3 hours with just 150 activists in Codnor they should be able to do the same with much higher numbers of antifacsits being available in London. The other ones would be the Harrow and Birmingham events where EDF dealt with quite effectively.
And once the minority communities get word of this going ahead, i just cant see the police allowing Griffin to appear on public order grounds
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Sorry Jim, this is fantasy - there is no way on earth a prestige BBC show is going to be cancelled by picketing - questions of just how picketing could even practically stop it aside for now. if it were stopped via this method (which it won't be) it would be a brilliant result for the BNP-they'll get asked back the left will look like undemocratic idiots.
Those two events were BNP victories if anything btw, but there's pages of debate on here on them already so i'll leave them to one side.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
You mena :-
a) The RWB festival in Codnor, Derbyshire that went ahead almost unhindered and rather successfully?
b) The SOIE demo that 15 or so muppets attended and saw a rather large turnout running aimlessly round the area?
c) The Birmingham UAF EDL boostathons?
Fuckinng hell, if at all victories thay were certainly pyhrric......
lewislewis
Lumumba Cymru
Llandudno (north Wales) was being touted as one of the potential locations for Nick Griffin's appearance. Leanne Wood of Plaid Cymru is QT's usual choice from the Welsh nationalists, anyone who has seen her will probably agree she's an excellent panelist, a fiery Valleys socialist and republican to boot. She would've torn strips from Griffin (if she kept her calm), although I believe Plaid still advocates a 'No Platform' policy as the BNP haven't made an electoral breakthrough in Wales, unlike in England. And the issues that the BNP thrive on are simply not major problems here.
I feel very underwhelmed by the selection of mainstream politicians to debate with Griffin. I suppose that from New Labour there are worse choices than Straw.
A non-party figure from anywhere in the political spectrum is what is needed, as the British mainstream parties are part of the reason that the BNP is growing. Get Peter Hitchens on, as odious as some of his views are I do not believe he is a racist or bigot (and certainly he isn't a fascist).
I feel very underwhelmed by the selection of mainstream politicians to debate with Griffin. I suppose that from New Labour there are worse choices than Straw.
A non-party figure from anywhere in the political spectrum is what is needed, as the British mainstream parties are part of the reason that the BNP is growing. Get Peter Hitchens on, as odious as some of his views are I do not believe he is a racist or bigot (and certainly he isn't a fascist).
Any protest will be spun for the benefit of the BNP by the BNP. How have you not seen this before? It just reinforces the idea of them and us that they can then give to their target voters who are already disgruntled at feeling left behind by however many years of "left" government, progressive policies etc. You seriously think a bunch of students, kids, unionists etc shouting outside the BBC studios is going to get people who are on the verge of voting BNP thinking "those crusties are right! All this BNP stuff is complete bullshit, maaaaan!!!"? It's just not going to happen. Not everyone in the country thinks the BNP is a bad thing - to a lot of people they represent the "voice of the people" whether you like it or not and the best way to show that this is complete bollocks is to give them a voice and then let everyone see how ridiculous it is, imo.
I would not decribe the young muslims who turned up at the UAF demos in Harrow and Birmingham as "students and kids"
Oh yeah, sorry, my mistake - of course potential BNP voters are going to be dissuaded from voting and pursuing a life of racism by a gang of protesting muslims, aren't they?
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