The people celebrating the loudest seem to be shitheads like Tucker Carlson and others who think she was a terrible tyrant for bringing in a lockdown early enough to successfully halt transmission of COVID instead of waiting until it was way too late like most other countries did.
Jacinda Arden Resigns
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The people celebrating the loudest seem to be shitheads like Tucker Carlson and others who think she was a terrible tyrant for bringing in a lockdown early enough to successfully halt transmission of COVID instead of waiting until it was way too late like most other countries did.
jontz01
taking refuge in the loft
I spent 12 years living in NZ and I thought she was a great prime minister.
I have kiwi friends who think otherwise. Lots of scepticism about her relationship with China and preferential treatment of indigenous peoples.
When you're in a position of power, you're never going to please everyone. I for one will be sad to see her go.
I have kiwi friends who think otherwise. Lots of scepticism about her relationship with China and preferential treatment of indigenous peoples.
When you're in a position of power, you're never going to please everyone. I for one will be sad to see her go.
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
I was wondering earlier if AmateurAgitator was a fan?
BusLanes
Pedestrian
This China thing bugs me. If just because John Key and National are also pretty pro China and both parties have had MPs who were credibly accused of being Chinese agents of influence. Both MPs have left parliament.
Key is also on record in 2023 for saying US and Australia are too tough on China.
So I wonder what those people think she's done differently from Key or National.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Doing the same shit as someone does not excuse you from shit
I don't know how good/crap Arden has been about the influence of the Chinese state, but 'I've only been as bad as those others' or even 'I've not been as bad, but still bad, as those others' is not sort of defence.
That is the type of shit that has excused attacks on workers from Labo(u)r parties for decades and it should not fly.
I don't know how good/crap Arden has been about the influence of the Chinese state, but 'I've only been as bad as those others' or even 'I've not been as bad, but still bad, as those others' is not sort of defence.
That is the type of shit that has excused attacks on workers from Labo(u)r parties for decades and it should not fly.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
That is not an excuse! Quite the opposite.
Most centre left politicians reflect the political consensus of liberal economics, that does not excuse their attacks on workers. It is precisely the reason why they are the enemy.
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
Sure. New Zealand being at the forefront of international diplomacy...
New Zealand's quite influential in its region, AFAIK, but it's not international relations that Ardern's been most praised for, is it?
It was her swift and decisive actions on issues like gun control and containing COVID that most impressed people, and on those issues, she had the same level of responsibility as leaders elsewhere, not a "small fraction."
It was her swift and decisive actions on issues like gun control and containing COVID that most impressed people, and on those issues, she had the same level of responsibility as leaders elsewhere, not a "small fraction."
BusLanes
Pedestrian
NZ does a lot of international relations stuff. There's the South Pacific obvs, the UN and trade. All of which they spend a huge effort on.
Helen Clark being a former UN DP head, Mike Moore being WTO head etc.
They spend a huge amount of time on the trade stuff. Our much loved CPTPP trade deal that will justify Brexit (well maybe not) was in large part a Kiwi plan from a couple of decades ago to get the US to give New Zealand a trade deal. Brexit Britain being an unexpected side benefit
Helen Clark being a former UN DP head, Mike Moore being WTO head etc.
They spend a huge amount of time on the trade stuff. Our much loved CPTPP trade deal that will justify Brexit (well maybe not) was in large part a Kiwi plan from a couple of decades ago to get the US to give New Zealand a trade deal. Brexit Britain being an unexpected side benefit
‘How dare this tiny man lecture me on how to run France when Singapore is the size of Marseille’
Charles de Gaulle on Lee Kuan Yew
Maggot
The Cake of Liberty
This is supposed to say why she resigned, but I've read it twice and I still don't know.
www.theguardian.com
‘Empathy is a kind of strength’: Jacinda Ardern on kind leadership, public rage and life in Trump’s America
Young, progressive and relatable, the former prime minister of New Zealand tried to do politics differently. But six years into power, she dramatically resigned. In an exclusive interview with the Guardian’s editor-in-chief, she explains why
This is supposed to say why she resigned, but I've read it twice and I still don't know.
‘Empathy is a kind of strength’: Jacinda Ardern on kind leadership, public rage and life in Trump’s America
Young, progressive and relatable, the former prime minister of New Zealand tried to do politics differently. But six years into power, she dramatically resigned. In an exclusive interview with the Guardian’s editor-in-chief, she explains why
I think she just genuinely couldn't be arsed. She's a normal, rational young(ish) person. Would you want to be rubbing shoulders with the likes of Trump and nationalist politicians in your own country, or living in relative anonymity in the US raising your family on what is probably a hefty wedge from Harvard?
New Zealand is a weird mix of liberalism and deep conservatism. I understand why she wanted out.
BusLanes
Pedestrian
She had an unprecedented, for NZ at least, level of abuse directed at her.
I recall being told by someone who worked in the NZ Parliament that she had both had the highest amount of monitored abuse and threats of any NZ politician whilst also being the first NZ PM or politician who needed the diplomatic protection squad of the police to guard her child at nursery/school
I recall being told by someone who worked in the NZ Parliament that she had both had the highest amount of monitored abuse and threats of any NZ politician whilst also being the first NZ PM or politician who needed the diplomatic protection squad of the police to guard her child at nursery/school
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
That's horrible.
I read the Guardian piece and thought it was very good (made a nice change from the increasing number of silly 'Ten Reasons Why You Should... type articles in the Guardian's weekend magazine).
It made me really sorry we don't have more senior politicians like her - she came across very well.
Muldoon got a whole lot of shit thrown at him in the 80s. Ardern was different though in that she wasn't exactly a career politician. In that she never coveted the top job like most politicians do. It was purely 'luck' if you could call it that.
A friend of a friend knows her and yeh, she's apparently a normal human being. I don't think that article's a puff piece or anything. She just fell into that job and made the best of it.
BusLanes
Pedestrian
She worked with a friend in London in the mid 00s, apparently was the life and soul of the team, chair of the social club and such
Yeh. The friend of a friend mentioned tells the story of being a bridesmaid with her, at a mutual friend's wedding. they'd not met before. But she'd just come an MP. This friend told her she would be PM one day and they had a good giggle about that and then got smashed and danced the night away
10 years later...
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