montevideo
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the test is would bill haywood approve or would the anti-socials approve?
IWW CENTENARY CELEBRATION - Ramparts, London - 5th November
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Thora said:Dan! That's not the kind of language I'd expect from you
Yeah I know
But you must remember, I am NOT a saint
...Who am I talking to exactly (if it's not presumptious to ask)? You can speak in riddles.
Ah, but I know who you are and you don't know who I am... I like the powerDan Jakopovich said:Yeah I know
But you must remember, I am NOT a saint
Who am I talking to exactly (if it's not presumptious to ask)? You can speak in riddles.
I lived at the IFA and met you through ULUAA
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Taxamo Welf said:
Someone else explained the first point nicely on another forum:
"The reason it is good to mention is that people who have special dietary requirements do not have to arrange food for themselves. Vegan food covers lactose intolerants (15% of the population), halal and kosher diets, it covers vegetarians as well."
I for sure would not want to cook meat. But then again, I wouldn't like to cook at all (fortunately for everyone). Also, I admit I feel bad about having neglected animal rights issues for too long. I'd feel like a prick if I totally ignored the torture and suffering they're going through every second of every day, in billions. "I should suffer the misery of devils where I to make a whore of my soul" (Tom Paine) and all that...Not that we're an ALF front group either
.Re. Ramparts, do you know of any other nice, free places with helpful people who are ready to do the cooking etc., apart from other squats? I think they're okay. Besides, IWW was never afraid of controversy, and I think many "class struggle anarchists" neglect the concept of radical needs. Sure, they should grow organically rather than being pushed down people's throats, but it doesn't mean we should try to recreate the old-fashioned "proper working class" image...which usually just ends up recreating the "proper white English male working class" stereotype, thus excluding everyone else, sth we are very deeply hoping (and making practical steps) to finally transcend.
Btw., we're also bringing some organisers from the Canary Wholf cleaners' campaign, previously involved with Justice for Janitors (better than the one who spoke at the bookfair). I'm actually a bit worried we've been too inclusive in our propaganda efforts. It will stay sane, though you're never sure someone isn't going to have a "Socialist Worker" or "News Line" up their sleeve (literally in case of the latter).
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Taxamo Welf said:But I taxamo, will be the firt to judge them on the content of their program and their proposed actions. And with dan organising, it should be pretty tight. Do speak up though mate
Would you like us to beat up fascists?
montevideo said:
The former wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
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Chuck Wilson said:
Why is that?
William Haywood said:
citydreams said:
I think the phrases ' labor organization ' and ' earns his livelihood either by his brain or his muscle.' gives the game away. The IWW was an organisation built on strikes and protests , that is what at the end of the day made it stood out. Are you telling me that this new IWW is built in the same tradition? What strikes has it led?
This is an ex student fan club/tribute band IMO not a syndicalist union that wants to deliver a general strike and then usher in a commonwealth of labour.
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Chuck Wilson said:
from what i gather the people organising it are in the iww. In real life one of the guy's organising it is old enough to be your dad, probably been on more strikes, pickets, demonstrations than you'd had hot dinners.
What would your union be chuck?
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I don't have time for negative people. I'd rather do sth productive. They should also.
Taxamo Welf
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indeed.
Thanks for answering my questions dan; I will explain myself an little better.
Why NOT to put vegan food on the flyer? Well. How about 'Food provided, all dietary requirements catered for' rather than 'yummy vegan food'. The latter just sounds wet. And don't say its yummy, it might not be I take your point about the other people who will be catered for by vegan food, i hadn't thoughtb of that. (But such people will have spent there life dealing with situations where they can't eat the the food, i doubt they decide whether to go to a trade union conference over the food). The reason you might ot want to put it is because of its association with certain politics that you may well be part of (as an anarchist) but you don't want to be lumped with as a TU. Maybe move towards them once you've attratcted ppl outside of that scene...
Ramparts. No i have no idea where would put you up for free, thats my point really: the first inaugral meeting should be somewhere a little bit official to let popel know your serious. Meeting in a squat... Might not give the air of officialdom you *might* want to give. Same point as before really.
HOWFUCKINGEVER!
I think you have done a wicked job especially having got the Canary wharf people to come, i assume you are trying to make links with GG sacked workers too, the wombles have been making apparoaches i believe. Their has been signs of interest in reviving the IWW in the UK for a while now i think, and it looks like you will get a good response. The detractors on this thread are pretty much against everything, ever, so despite their inteligence and knowledge, their criticisms are thus rendered pretty much invalid. I wouldn't get too down.
Chuck wilson what organisation are you in? Are you solfed?
Thanks for answering my questions dan; I will explain myself an little better.
Why NOT to put vegan food on the flyer? Well. How about 'Food provided, all dietary requirements catered for' rather than 'yummy vegan food'. The latter just sounds wet. And don't say its yummy, it might not be
I take your point about the other people who will be catered for by vegan food, i hadn't thoughtb of that. (But such people will have spent there life dealing with situations where they can't eat the the food, i doubt they decide whether to go to a trade union conference over the food). The reason you might ot want to put it is because of its association with certain politics that you may well be part of (as an anarchist) but you don't want to be lumped with as a TU. Maybe move towards them once you've attratcted ppl outside of that scene...Ramparts. No i have no idea where would put you up for free, thats my point really: the first inaugral meeting should be somewhere a little bit official to let popel know your serious. Meeting in a squat... Might not give the air of officialdom you *might* want to give. Same point as before really.
HOWFUCKINGEVER!
I think you have done a wicked job especially having got the Canary wharf people to come, i assume you are trying to make links with GG sacked workers too, the wombles have been making apparoaches i believe. Their has been signs of interest in reviving the IWW in the UK for a while now i think, and it looks like you will get a good response. The detractors on this thread are pretty much against everything, ever, so despite their inteligence and knowledge, their criticisms are thus rendered pretty much invalid. I wouldn't get too down.
Chuck wilson what organisation are you in? Are you solfed?
Taxamo Welf
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no mate, those cleaners laid off in the docklands dispute, they were fucking students in disguise 
jesusblimeyfuckit.
Look on the IWW site for the US and see how they ate doing PLEASE actually do that. Ok?
Your gf has a pretty name by the way. Tell her i said that
jesusblimeyfuckit.
Look on the IWW site for the US and see how they ate doing PLEASE actually do that. Ok?
Your gf has a pretty name by the way. Tell her i said that
I never said that they don't attract some working people. but I was taling about a wider contact here. It was aconstructive question, tto inquire about how far and whar successes the IWW has had in the UK at attracting workingh people into their organisation. And I amk sure stuidents are part of that too.
My gf is not called Tatiana, she is called Lyudmilla.
My gf is not called Tatiana, she is called Lyudmilla.
Taxamo Welf
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ok, but you have history of not very constructive questions so...
lyudmila... Not as pretty as tatiana sorry Don't tell her i said that obviously.
PS are you saying that you think students should be involved in the IWW? That doesn't sound like the 'your middle class you' Ryan we all know!
Spot on if you do think that tho
lyudmila... Not as pretty as tatiana sorry
Don't tell her i said that obviously.PS are you saying that you think students should be involved in the IWW? That doesn't sound like the 'your middle class you' Ryan we all know!
Spot on if you do think that tho
Taxamo Welf said:ok, but you have history of not very constructive questions so...
lyudmila... Not as pretty as tatiana sorry
PS are you saying that you think students should be involved in the IWW? That doesn't sound like the 'your middle class you' Ryan we all know!
Spot on if you do think that tho
Not all students are middle class. But that said even you aware of the differences between middle class students and unskilled workers. That is why they have joined the IWW, for one reason I am sure.
Ny gf is not called Lyudmilla. Tatiana is the name of her friend, who is older than me by quite a few years, but is kind of like a Communist Clara Bow. Well fit. And she wears cloche hats.
Taxamo Welf
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Tatiana said:My gf is not called Tatiana, she is called Lyudmilla.
Tatiana said:
WTF?
ps what do you mean 'even you'? Becaue i am middle class i can never know can i ?
aah
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Rarely do I come across a libertarian leftist who cares about these things more than I do. Point taken, although I'm still not convinced this was a bad choice. It doesn't have to look seedy...though it's in a very working-class area.Taxamo Welf said:
Yes, we're also expecting the Gate Gourmet people, whom the IWW was offering support previously as well (and we plan to share the "profit" from the benefit with them).
Oh, and we didn't write "yummy" - it's "tasty".
Don't know, I'm ambiguous re. what you said, although I understand what you mean very well. I don't think anyone would oppose "green syndicalism" if it's something like Judi Bari's Earth First/IWW opposition to the logging industry, but opposing the meat industry is left to punkers or "liberals". No respectable group can afford itself speaking up against this horror in which, every year, 40 BILLION SENTIENT CREATURES are subjected to unspeakable tyranny and cruelty during their (fortunately short) miserable lives, only to be mercilessly slaughtered in the end. Pure hell for the lowest of the low.
Taxamo Welf
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well what do you think of vivisection
and DNA research and genetically modified crops dan?
(i'm only trying to show that there are certain sacrifices mate - i am a vegetarian as you know. I agree with you.)
and DNA research and genetically modified crops dan?
(i'm only trying to show that there are certain sacrifices mate - i am a vegetarian as you know. I agree with you.)
montevideo said:
Monty for a reasonably bright bloke you sometimes come over a little bit dense.What fucking IWW ? It's over mate. Finished and the revivalists are simply making it into a joke product. What is the point of being in the one big union unless it can deliver solidarity? This lot couldn't call a cab.
You will have to ask the old boy about his track record rather than speculate on his track record or my diet. My union ? Unison. I have been in GMWU, TGWU, NUPE, UCATT, AEUW, NALGO.
Now go and get a job.
Taxamo Welf
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i'll smile and hold your hand then
...or go back to oppressing you of course.
...or go back to oppressing you of course.
Taxamo Welf
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what kind of cab?Chuck Wilson said:
Taxamo Welf
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....in what way?
this thread is very amusing in that the EXACT SAME things have been said on the Libcom one. FFS.
this thread is very amusing in that the EXACT SAME things have been said on the Libcom one. FFS.
Taxamo Welf
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i know, we shouldn't haveTatiana said:
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Chuck Wilson said:
Them's a lot of unions chuck, jack of all trades?
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