IWCA in the North

[Louis MacNeice]

Reply to Para 1; I understand the RCG was a split from the RCP (perhaps not it all), if you have other info then share it eh? Rather than always in the Leninist mode, 'taking the high ground'... The rest of para 2 still is true though even if (which I am still not sure of) I was mistaken about the composition of the RCG. I have a rough and ready approach, I've stated it over and over again so I am not going to make any excuses for it. This I treat as talking and not for marking.

Reply to para 2: In a discussion about English style I mentioned in passing in a chatty style that I failed my English. It was not a definitive statement and to infer that I ever meant that leaves you looking more of a fool than I already thought you were.

Para 3: Aren't we all Marxists Beyond Marx? Well perhaps not, in your collective case you stopped with a bastardisation of Marx by Lenin I think your babble denying the homogeneity that Fordism and the Keynesian welfare state created is spurious, it was the dominant tendency of the period.

BTW Intrude with your arrant toss as much as you want Lisa, your second point about the class project is soooo general it doesn't rise above arrant toss either.

Final Para - AS I have constantly said, it doesn't matter what they (RA) may or may not have openly said - it is what they DO, their real ideas deducible from their practice... As I have said before...

1. The RCG came out of the SWP; via the same Revolutionary Communist Tendency that gave rise to the RCP.

2. What you said was this:

As far as my style is concerned, I know its individual. Far from being a weakness, it is honest and decidedly working class (I failed my English O - level first time round).​

I'll leave others to judge what that was supposed to mean if not that your exam failure was evidence of your working classness.

3. Why be a Marxist (beyond Marx or not); why the need for an ideological label? Also have you never thought that the homogeneity you presume Fordism and Keynesianism produced was never as strong or deep as the left also presumed and that working from this flawed premise was part of the left's (and your) problem...no you probably haven't.

4. Obviously I touched a nerve catching you wandering off down the Marxism Today identity politics cul de sac; not the sort of place I'd expect any self respecting black handed class warrior to be heading for.

5. In the continued absence of any evidence I'll stand your last para back on its feet: 'it doesn't matter what they [RA] may or may not have openly done - it is what I [Attica] say they DO'.

Louis Mac

 

[Fisher_Gate]

1. The RCG came out of the SWP; via the same Revolutionary Communist Tendency that gave rise to the RCP.
...

The International Socialists (later to become the SWP) begat the Revolutionary Communist Group which still exists, who then begat the Revolutionary Communist Tendency (later to become the RCP) who became bigger than their parent for a while, before disappearing as an organisation into a shadowy group advocating unregulated genetic manipulation.

 

[The Black Hand]

1. The RCG came out of the SWP; via the same Revolutionary Communist Tendency that gave rise to the RCP.

2. What you said was this:

As far as my style is concerned, I know its individual. Far from being a weakness, it is honest and decidedly working class (I failed my English O - level first time round).​

I'll leave others to judge what that was supposed to mean if not that your exam failure was evidence of your working classness.

3. Why be a Marxist (beyond Marx or not); why the need for an ideological label? Also have you never thought that the homogeneity you presume Fordism and Keynesianism produced was never as strong or deep as the left also presumed and that working from this flawed premise was part of the left's (and your) problem...no you probably haven't.

4. Obviously I touched a nerve catching you wandering off down the Marxism Today identity politics cul de sac; not the sort of place I'd expect any self respecting black handed class warrior to be heading for.

5. In the continued absence of any evidence I'll stand your last para back on its feet: 'it doesn't matter what they [RA] may or may not have openly done - it is what I [Attica] say they DO'.

Louis Mac

In a discussion about English style I mentioned in passing in a chatty style that I failed my English. It was not a definitive statement and to infer that I ever meant that leaves you looking more of a fool than I already thought you were.

Reply to para 3: You are just soooo boring and irrelevant too Lisa. You are wrong on that point to, but then you just came along to defend your leader who was having a hard time. Why you defend RA so much I do not know, you'll get your fingers burnt You clearly don't know that much about them... Anyway Lisa, you can retire now cos I don't want to talk to the errand boy - I want to dialogue with the old man

Actually I have incorporated Wallerstein (who? GO check...) into my research and so you are soooooo very badly wrong in assuming I think as you say I do. Here's a clue, don't assume things, thats a residue of your Leninism [I did a paper at the Alternative ESF in 2004 about precarity that clearly went against what you said I think]

Reply to para 4: No no no, you're assuming again - you Leninist you. I am more with Sivanandan who critisised the 'Hokum of New Times' if you remember (or is your memory as bad as Lets?) Actually the proof would be in their shitty position on Foxhunting which is wrong... And again the proof of what I say is already in the open...

Para 5 - actually I am not ahistorical as you appear to be, I am judging them on the entirity of their behaviour, and not the isolated and made up facade they make to the awfully well meaning like you.

 

[The Black Hand]

Trumpet sounds the last post... unless....

*To give RA their due they went to some lengths to state their understanding of a significantly differentiated working class in opposition to the Leninist orthodoxy of class homogenaity; a homogenaity finding its conscious expression in the actions and ideas of the 'advanced workers'.

Lisa- here's something I cut and pasted from the Libcom website talking about Man. utd. football fanzines that gives you some idea of why I think as I do. THis is only one example (there are more) and I didn't write it;

"I was never the editor of Our Day Will Come fanzine. I wrote articles for the last 3 issues of the fanzine - and sold it once, on my todd outside O.T.
When it became obvious that the Editor of ODWC had no interest in doing a football fanzine and had (worse) lost his interest in United, I stopped doing even that.
He was sadly encouraged in taking this decision by a member of London Red Action, who threatened to batter him for "taking money out of the Republican movement" by producing the fanzine.
This was smoothed over by a Republican from Yorkshire, but was sadly typical of the way some Red Action members behaved at the time."

 

[The Raven]

Lisa- here's something I cut and pasted from the Libcom website talking about Man. utd. football fanzines that gives you some idea of why I think as I do. THis is only one example (there are more) and I didn't write it;

I saw the shopfront as I crept down Commercial Street and knew what you were trying to tell me:

http://www.attica-yarns.co.uk/

A nod's as good as a wink to a blind man... say no more.

 

[cutandsplice]

I saw the shopfront as I crept down Commercial Street and knew what you were trying to tell me:

http://www.attica-yarns.co.uk/

A nod's as good as a wink to a blind man... say no more.

He certainly spins plenty of yarns.