IWCA anti drug dealing action Oxford

Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by Red About Town, Mar 19, 2018.

  1. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    You're just making stuff up now. I've already said I support the right of local communities to take action. Seeking explanations for why bad stuff happens is bad now? That's a right wing stance if I ever saw one.
     
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  2. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty Wh♂️

    We don’t know the reasons why they’re dealing. Perhaps it’s likely that they themselves are addicts needing to finance their own habit which means they need more addicts; who then also need a means of support. Which is no solution at all.
    The council/police would no doubt act if it was upsetting folk in the wealthier side of town but are happy with it being ‘contained’ in working class areas. They need to think about long term strategies and I think the IWCA favours doctors being able to prescribe dismorphine and more support for drug services etc.
     
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  3. Red Sky

    Red Sky It was like that when I got here.

    It would be helpful in this case if Blackbird Leys IWCA had explained what had actually been going on in the park.
     
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  4. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    Drug dealing?
     
  5. Red Sky

    Red Sky It was like that when I got here.

    That can mean a whole range of things.
     
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  6. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    yeh from supplying friends to peddling junk to kids
     
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  7. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty Wh♂️

    Does the leaflet you linked to not accomplish that?
     
  8. Red Sky

    Red Sky It was like that when I got here.

    It talks about the dealing 10 years before. I'm suggesting that's not the case now, but surprised no one mentioned in the video.

    "The reason we're here is that heroin dealers have been using the play park" sort of thing.
     
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  9. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    Personally I wouldnt want any illegal drugs in a park that it is used by kids and families.
     
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  10. Red Sky

    Red Sky It was like that when I got here.

    There's a discussion to be had about how well the state and local authorities co opt these struggles.

    Where I live , there's a system of Local Action Teams who are volunteers. They're the first point of contact for residents raising concerns like these. There are local coppers running teams of PCSOs who's job it is to present a 'listening' face and regular meetings with attendance by councillors and council officials.

    They are quite responsive and the two big issues that have come up recently, being mini motos being ridden on the pavement and the death of the estate via mass importation of students have received a lot of scrutiny. So for most angry residents the official channels work.
     
  11. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Something based on this sort of understanding?

    • The isolation by the community of drug dealers who prey on the community
    • The proper provision of locally based and funded detox centres
    • The establishment of a social contract with users for the proper disposal of needles etc.
    • The decriminalisation of cannabis
    • GPs to be allowed to prescribe heroin in order to administer dosages safely, remove the need for ineffective methadone substitutes and undermine the criminal black market
    • A review of the 1971 Misuse of Drugs Act
    All the things that you see as useful have been and are being done by the IWCA in Oxford. They haven't set up and ran athletics and sport clubs and other initiative soley for love of sport for example.
     
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  12. Red Sky

    Red Sky It was like that when I got here.

    Me neither. But there's a difference between teenagers having a joint on the swings and people leaving needles behind .
     
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  13. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    Up for the community and the people who use the park to decide imo
     
  14. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    I remember when the below and the aggressive community policing of it was celebrated as an inspiring example of community resistance - not to mention the panthers:

    toxteth.jpg
     
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  15. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    This style of community policing/problem solving , usually with the local authority and health services involved is pretty much used across the UK. I agree it can be quite responsive.However even when there was some cash around public services you still had competing priorities within the agencies, gaps within provision,and the invetable time lag in getting agencies to either shift funding or deliver the solution. They also tend to be agency led rather than community led.
    Very often targets across the borough can be met without really tackling the areas or pockets of high crime and asb.
     
  16. Red Sky

    Red Sky It was like that when I got here.

    Has it changed much since the IWCA started?

    PCSOs have been brought in for that part of the community that wants to see "bobbies on the beat" for example.
     
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  17. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    Not sure if you mean has the IWCA had an impact on local policing or has local policing changed in the lifetime of the IWCA.Community policing and crime and disorder partnerships have been going on for nearly two decades. The shift to local partnership problem solving begain about 15 years ago , followed by a focus on measuring community satisfaction etc. Whether there was the will to tackle some of these issues in some of these areas is debatable in the first place . Working class areas suffer disporoprtionately from higher crime and asb rates. With the cuts to the public services its always going to be those areas that lose out the most.
     
  18. chilango

    chilango *shrugs*

    To be honest I don't even like seeing people having a few cans or whatever in the park near the playground bit never mind illegal drugs.
     
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  19. Red Sky

    Red Sky It was like that when I got here.

    Certainly when it came up here it was definitely a teenager thing.

    They need somewhere else to hang out and get stoned of an evening .
     
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  20. chilango

    chilango *shrugs*

    Yeah, maybe.

    Not the kids' playground though. Hence the IWCA doing a bunch of other stuff alongside this I guess?
     
  21. Red Sky

    Red Sky It was like that when I got here.

    That's been our proposed solution here. Some kind of bus shelter. Ostensibly for another purpose.
     
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  22. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    a drug AbusE shelter?
     
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  23. Red Sky

    Red Sky It was like that when I got here.

    The thinking is that if we call it "The Cool Kidz Hangout Space" they won't go near it. If they think they've cheekily misappropriated it then they might stop leaving cider bottles and little baggies by the swings.
     
  24. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    Also worth pointing out that this action by the IWCA puts pressure on agencies etc who are supposed to be implementing longer term and strategic solutions to these issues.

    It can shame them into action and work against their seemingly innate tendency to ignore this stuff in w/c areas.
     
  25. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    they have no shame
     
  26. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    We trialled five of these about ten years ago in our borough. Good idea in theory but in practice but they need contact with detached youth workers who work weekends and evenings or local community police visits or ownership by a school. Probably best to get the kids to agree to some form of behaviour . Otherwise you face the possibility of litter, broken bottles, underage drinking , drugs and bullying . We had a nasty sexual assault in one.
     
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  27. cantsin

    cantsin Well-Known Member

    ar
    including weed ?
     
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  28. Red Sky

    Red Sky It was like that when I got here.

    Not during the daytime.
     
  29. chilango

    chilango *shrugs*

    Including weed.

    And alcohol. And tobacco.
     
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  30. chilango

    chilango *shrugs*

    ...and, yes, we need more free, open, public spaces of all kinds. But - for me at least - the need for a space for kids to play trumps the need for a space for people to drink/smoke/take drugs.
     
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