IWCA anti drug dealing action Oxford

Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by Red About Town, Mar 19, 2018.

  1. Nice one

    Nice one Well-Known Member

    alan = a snowflake, having a pop at iwca from the safety of the internet. The actual snowflakes in the video not having the slightest impact on the people in the park or what they are doing.
     
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  2. cantsin

    cantsin Well-Known Member

    it sounded like a reasonable /considered response to IWCA piece from Alan , rather than "having a pop "- and we're all on the internet here, are you a snowflake as well for "having a pop" at Alan from behind the safety of your keyboard, rather than the man of action we all hope you are ?
     
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  3. Nice one

    Nice one Well-Known Member

    it is literally a 4 minute video of a bunch of residents voicing their concern about drug dealing in the local park. That's it. As a reasonable/considered response (response to what exactly, what's he responding to; the poor camera shots? the crap footwear in the background?) he bangs on about standing in parks, mistakes those in the video for local social services before demanding what are they gonna do? Do about what?
     
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  4. nogojones

    nogojones Well-Known Member

    Are you gonna stand outside the pubs to make it harder to deal booze as well?
     
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  5. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    It's generally accepted that to get served in pubs you need to go up to the bar. Unless there's table service of course, in which case is it even a pub?
     
  6. nogojones

    nogojones Well-Known Member

    and I don't think you need access to a park to sell drugs
     
  7. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    True, but after all many a park is popular with drug dealers. Unlike publicans, drug dealers don't need a licence.
     
  8. nogojones

    nogojones Well-Known Member

    Maybe we should concentrate or efforts on getting them licenced then?
     
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  9. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    And in the intervening years before that might or might not come to pass?
     
  10. stuff_it

    stuff_it stirred the primordial soup

    What else are the roadman dem meant to do for cash?
     
  11. nogojones

    nogojones Well-Known Member

    I think campaigning for more sensible drug policy might be more effective than playing on the swings
     
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  12. nogojones

    nogojones Well-Known Member

    Take it from the rich
     
  13. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    Cuz it's worked so well to date.
     
  14. nogojones

    nogojones Well-Known Member

    Well more and more countries are adopting or looking into more liberal drug laws, so I'd say it is working somewhat, where as I've not seen much of an evidence base for standing in the park
     
  15. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    We're not on about Portugal or the US. In the UK drug laws have gotten harsher if anything over the last 10-15 years, despite a more vocal liberalisation movement.
     
  16. nogojones

    nogojones Well-Known Member

    It just strikes of hating the player and not the game
     
  17. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    So what? It's desirable to want to understand the wider factors that drive people into a criminal career, but that doesn't excuse the violence and abuse that follows does it?
     
  18. nogojones

    nogojones Well-Known Member

    Have I excused the violence or abuse in this unregulated industry? Or am I advocating for a more effective way of addressing it.

    Maybe I'm out of touch with street dealing, but I don't think a local park is a prerequisite
     
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  19. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    The park stuff is besides the point. And yes, you do effectively excuse violence and abuse when you say "don't hate the player, hate the game".
     
  20. nogojones

    nogojones Well-Known Member

    But it is the nature of the game here that is the problem that creates the player and associated violence. Standing in the park, or on a corner or outside a bookies or wherever is just pissing in the wind unless you seriously address the cause of this problem - prohibition
     
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  21. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    I'd like to see prohibition end too, but in the meantime what do you suggest should happen in places where the authorities are unable or unwilling to stop the destruction of local communities?
     
  22. nogojones

    nogojones Well-Known Member

    At best though, this will just move it round the corner or to shotters doing more corner / alleyway deliveries. Are you asking for the authorities to enforce the laws harsher? because thats what it strikes of
     
  23. chilango

    chilango *shrugs*

    If it means the park is useable again for everybody else then, yeah, shift 'em round the corner to the alleyways for now.
     
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  24. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    At best anti-social drug dealing will be driven into areas where authorities have the will and means to bring the violence and chaos to an end. Posh areas preferrably.
     
  25. nogojones

    nogojones Well-Known Member

    So it is about encouraging the authorities to be more repressive?
     
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  26. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    Is it about letting drug dealers kill, rape and abuse as they please until blessed prohibition is here? You're seemingly suggesting that fuck all should be done. Is that right?
     
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  27. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    and minimum unit pricing and a seat on the local park committee, whilst we're about why dont we license human trafficking as well?
     
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  28. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    Not quite the same is it? Whether you like drugs yourself or not, to compare it to human trafficking is just daft.
     
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  29. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    Latin American drug gangs manage to be involved in both
     
  30. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    And? How would a regulated legal drug market be in any way comparable to human trafficking? That's what nogo was on about, not giving drug gangs a licence under the current system of production and supply.
     

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