i've just had to sack someone

[Kanda]

Even though they were within their probationary period, procedures still need to be followed...

No they don't.

 

[rubbershoes]

Even though they were within their probationary period, procedures still need to be followed...

i took appropraite legal advice

 

[Bazza]

This last sentence makes me feel very uncomfortable. If they hadn't done anything wrong, by your admission, then why were they sacked?

Even though they were within their probationary period, procedures still need to be followed...

In my experience, if a company wants rid of someone, they'll get rid.

Even when a company is acting 100% in the wrong they'll take the risk because so many people don't actually pursue potential legal claims...or if they do they then settle pretty easily.

 

[Guineveretoo]

thanks for saying so

i'd ask her to do stuff and she'd say she was too busy

she wouldn't answer the phones when the receptionist was at lunch


she made more work for everyoine around her as it as all about her her her

So, aren't all these things that she did that were "wrong", rather than just "attitude"?

Did anyone explain to her that she was expected to provide cover for the receptionist at lunch time?

Did anyone explain to her how to prioritise her work and which bits she could leave, if you asked her to do stuff which was more important?

 

[Belushi]

Sacking is really moreish; do someone in marketing next mate, they've always got people sitting around not really doing anything.

 

[Thora]

if you want to see it that way then that's up to you.

everyone else seems to understand why she had to go

Sorry, my mistake - it is fine to take someone's job from them, even though they've done nothing wrong, because you decide you don't like their attitude.

 

[Guineveretoo]

In my experience, if a company wants rid of someone, they'll get rid.

Even when a company is acting 100% in the wrong they'll take the risk because so many people don't actually pursue potential legal claims...or if they do they then settle pretty easily.

This is absolutely true, but it doesn't make me feel any more comfortable that someone is coming on here and posting up a thread announcing that they have sacked someone because of their "attitude"!

 

[pengaleng]

Thats the fucking spirit mate

I'm gonna sack one of my temps now so I can join in the thread

seriously tho, she was fucking awful, would talk about nothing but how much her dior handbag and gucci shoes cost that her sugar daddy bought for her and how much his credit card limit was. my patience was lucky to last a week listening to that shit.

 

[Guineveretoo]

if you want to see it that way then that's up to you.

everyone else seems to understand why she had to go

I don't.

Please explain.

 

[Guineveretoo]

i took appropraite legal advice

Everyone knows that lawyers, including employment lawyers, will answer the questions asked of them. So, if you asked your legal adviser how to sack someone legally with regard to procedures, I am sure they gave you the legal answer.

That doesn't answer the moral question though - was this person given proper management support and advice and plenty of warning as to the consequences of what you call her "attitude"?

 

[rubbershoes]

Sorry, my mistake - it is fine to take someone's job from them, even though they've done nothing wrong, because you decide you don't like their attitude.

they've been here 4 weeks and have skills and exoerience that will enable them to get another job easily

if she had stayed it would have been made things difficult for everyone else in the office here. the good of the many and all that

 

[Thora]

Its just as stressful sacking someone as it is being sacked been in both postions. Even if the person your sacking really deserves it .

What bollocks!!

 

[chegrimandi]

Its just as stressful sacking someone as it is being sacked been in both postions. Even if the person your sacking really deserves it .

oh boo-fucking-hoo. My heart bleeds for you.

here's a tip - don't be a fucking manager and enjoy all the benefits that that postion grants you if you can't hack it.

jesus.

 

[Guineveretoo]

seriously tho, she was fucking awful, would talk about nothing but how much her dior handbag and gucci shoes cost that her sugar daddy bought for her and how much his credit card limit was. my patience was lucky to last a week listening to that shit.

The slight but important difference is that you are talking about a temp, who is employed by an agency and would, presumably, be able to get another posting. The OP appears to be talking about sacking someone from their permanent position, without any concern or even thought about the consequences of doing so.

 

[rubbershoes]

This is absolutely true, but it doesn't make me feel any more comfortable that someone is coming on here and posting up a thread announcing that they have sacked someone because of their "attitude"!

the thread is not to crow about sacking her . the initial post (note the in it) showed my dislike of the whole process

 

[Guineveretoo]

they've been here 4 weeks and have skills and exoerience that will enable them to get another job easily

if she had stayed it would have been made things difficult for everyone else in the office here. the good of the many and all that

Since you sacked her, you were, presumably, her manager. What did you do to explain the job and her responsibilities to her?

 

[Thora]

they've been here 4 weeks and have skills and exoerience that will enable them to get another job easily

if she had stayed it would have been made things difficult for everyone else in the office here. the good of the many and all that

How caring of you.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

You're welcome.

You've just sacked someone because, what - they weren't enthusiastic enough about doing your typing? And now you're on here whining about how tough it is for you Diddums.

Seemed to me they got sacked because they weren't doing their job properly. Fair grounds given she was in the probation period (she was an idiot to act like that before securing the job properly if you ask me).

 

[rubbershoes]

The slight but important difference is that you are talking about a temp, who is employed by an agency and would, presumably, be able to get another posting. The OP appears to be talking about sacking someone from their permanent position, without any concern or even thought about the consequences of doing so.

they had worked here for 4 weeks. does that mean we have to employ them till they retire?

 

[Guineveretoo]

the thread is not to crow about sacking her . the initial post (note the in it) showed my dislike of the whole process

And yet you seem to have made no effort to work with this person and every effort to find ways of sacking her "legally"!

I think you may have an attitudinal problem!

 

[Pingu]

What bollocks!!

its really not nice sacking someone.

the guy I sacked last year had been nicking stuff from us, surfing porn whilst on a clients site (the clients systems picked this up and they then informed us) . surfing lots of porn whilst on our premises (we have systems in place to pick it up but generally operate a laid back internet usage policy) and was generally a bit of a twat

i still felt like shit sacking him.

 

[pengaleng]

The slight but important difference is that you are talking about a temp, who is employed by an agency and would, presumably, be able to get another posting. The OP appears to be talking about sacking someone from their permanent position, without any concern or even thought about the consequences of doing so.

yeah they were on probation init, everyone knows you put one foot wrong on probation and yer out the door, sometimes its cut throat like that...

 

[Guineveretoo]

they had worked here for 4 weeks. does that mean we have to employ them till they retire?

No, but it does mean that you should have ensured she was clear about her role and responsibilities, and was given the opportunity to improve or to explain why she wasn't coping and was busy.

Okay, you have a moral rather than a legal obligation to do that, but you are certainly not going to build a reputation as a good employer if you sack someone for no reason and without following your own procedures.

 

[Thora]

its really not nice sacking someone.

the guy I sacked last year had been nicking stuff from us, surfing porn whilst on a clients site (the clients systems picked this up and they then informed us) . surfing lots of porn whilst on our premises (we have systems in place to pick it up but generally operate a laid back internet usage policy) and was generally a bit of a twat

i still felt like shit sacking him.

 

[Guineveretoo]

Seemed to me they got sacked because they weren't doing their job properly. Fair grounds given she was in the probation period (she was an idiot to act like that before securing the job properly if you ask me).

Indeed, although this is not what the OP says, which is why I jumped in

If, however, she wasn't coping with the job, a decent employer would have asked why, and considered whether, for example, there was too much work, or there were conflicting priorities, or if it hadn't been made clear to her what her role was.

 

[pengaleng]

And yet you seem to have made no effort to work with this person and every effort to find ways of sacking her "legally"!

I think you may have an attitudinal problem!

most probations have a clause which clearly states that the company can get rid of them at any time during this period with a weeks notice....

I thought that was common knowledge?

 

[chegrimandi]

can I propose a minutes silence for poor managers that put people out of work as and when they feel like it...

I know, I for one, feel for them extremely deeply....

 

[Kanda]

And yet you seem to have made no effort to work with this person and every effort to find ways of sacking her "legally"!

I'd like you to point out where the sacking was illegal....

 

[Pingu]

so you would prefer it if everyione was a heartless bastard and just sacked people with no feeling of conscience?

nice... (mind you this is what happens in a lot of larger companies I guess)

if you have even the smallest bit of intelligence then you know you dont start skiving and fucking about until after your probation period ends...

 

[Kanda]

if you have even the smallest bit of intelligence then you know you dont start skiving and fucking about until after your probation period ends...

Exactly!!!