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I've just applied to join the army

Crispy said:
Yeah, but there are differences of degree, don't you think? Being sent to shoot people in a country that never attacked us is a big step up from eg. buying some shares in BAe.
There are differences. I think being a soldier is like working in an abbatoir and people like you and me are customers buying pre-packed, sanitised meat products in the supermarket.
 
DrRingDing said:
I think, almost perversely, that as a pacifist you have a responsibility to join up.

How so? I'd be no good in the Medical Corp - can't stand the sight of blood.

I can't see how shooting Iraqis and Afganis would be pacifying much.
 
Idaho said:
There are differences. I think being a soldier is like working in an abbatoir and people like you and me are customers buying pre-packed, sanitised meat products in the supermarket.
Lobs a "what about vegetarians?" grenade over the parapet.
 
But you have to follow orders, so shooting Arabs would be the order of the day regardless of whether you'd enjoy or not. I suppose you could miss on purpose but then you risk being shot yourself.
 
have you seen the film "Jarhead"? I think that paints a fairly unsensationalised picture, from what i've been told.

I think, if you don't join in with the "rag head" bollocks, you can survive - if you are a very strong person. but you'll have a really hard time.:(


why not become a fireman, Doc?
 
mmm, maybe the army could do with some revolutionary types who don't follow orders and can think for themselves :)
 
Iemanja said:
mmm, maybe the army could do with some revolutionary types who don't follow orders and can think for themselves :)


that will be the rifles :)

there are more jobs in the army than just the "shooting people" ones you know.

engineers, medical, logistics, IT, admin.. or if you want to be hated by everyone ... provost :)
 
Iemanja said:
mmm, maybe the army could do with some revolutionary types who don't follow orders and can think for themselves :)
Life soon becomes very hard for people like that. A guy I knew at school was all set for the army - was in the cadets, had really shiny boots, knew all the lingo and loved reading about war. But then it turnned out he thought he was cleverer than his superiors and that an independant mind is useful in the army. It's not. What the army needs to do its job well is people who will unflinchingly and reliably carry out orders, without thinking about the consequences. Having your own ideas is not just 'being cheeky', it's insubordination and they do not like it. He quit half way through basic training.

IMO, the perfect recruit is young and innocent, without a well-formed worldview or political stance - fresh to be molded into a soldier. If you already have your own ideas and beliefs that won't be swayed, then the army is not for you.

Of course I'm not a soldier, so anyone with experience feel free to correct me.
 
Pingu said:
become a combat medic.

and use the training well


eta

this is something I wish I had done when younger. a skill that will save lives and highly useful once you leave the service


nah join the ambulance service - do good work, get the feeling of family, avoid the shooting part

win win really
 
Idaho said:
I can understand the desire to join the army. Wanting to have an active job with a good sense of team spirit.

get a tardis. find yourself a decently paid, part time job (or full time one with flexible hours/plenty of holiday or sabatical leave) and affordable accommodation.

go to climate camp last tuesday.
and the no borders camp in september.
and rossport sometime very soon.

:)

or the fireman suggestion. i liked that one :
 
What part of the army, DrRingDing? My nephew is set to leave after a very dispiriting few years service. He's been bricked and shot at in Iraq or bored shitless for most of his time. He might have some decent skills (the signals) tho the fact that they've put him out to grass and refused to train him for 18months-2years since he decided to leave might have eroded even that part
 
Crispy said:
Life soon becomes very hard for people like that. A guy I knew at school was all set for the army - was in the cadets, had really shiny boots, knew all the lingo and loved reading about war. But then it turnned out he thought he was cleverer than his superiors and that an independant mind is useful in the army. It's not. What the army needs to do its job well is people who will unflinchingly and reliably carry out orders, without thinking about the consequences. Having your own ideas is not just 'being cheeky', it's insubordination and they do not like it. He quit half way through basic training.

IMO, the perfect recruit is young and innocent, without a well-formed worldview or political stance - fresh to be molded into a soldier. If you already have your own ideas and beliefs that won't be swayed, then the army is not for you.

Of course I'm not a soldier, so anyone with experience feel free to correct me.

That be my feeling. Maybe the RAF or Navy might be a little better for someone like that. I'd be too unfit to join any of them, but god forbid if we were made to go and fight I'd want to do something like auxilary nursing rather than shooting people.
 
DrRingDing said:
I'm not far away from being too old. Part of my motivation is a premature mid life crisis.


I'm 33 - that *is* too old innit? I bet the interviews are stricter with old folks than yer school leavers.

I had a period of thinking about joining up as I was so utterly disorganised in my life that I thought it might help, uhm, centre me or something. That was years back and I think I was only young enough for the RAF then.
 
I'm still not entirely convinced that this thread is actually, you know, telling the truth, but I've always been a bit of a cynic.
 
FridgeMagnet said:
I'm still not entirely convinced that this thread is actually, you know, telling the truth, but I've always been a bit of a cynic.


Can we not talk about it anyway? :p
 
5t3IIa said:
I'm 33 - that *is* too old innit? I bet the interviews are stricter with old folks than yer school leavers.

I had a period of thinking about joining up as I was so utterly disorganised in my life that I thought it might help, uhm, centre me or something. That was years back and I think I was only young enough for the RAF then.
You're too old. I think the oldest you can apply as an officer is around 27/9 not sure about squaddies. After that you've got to have some qualification to be considered (medic / padre / etc.).
 
Well they do Veggie rations now some of them are not to bad.Army is basically conservative with a small c but all so about teamwork and group effort .Anti Authority well unless you can keep your mouth shut your screwed
The Army works by obeying orders but then the people giving the orders will
have earned that right.
Often think should I have gone regular ,but, not really intrested in being anything else but an Infantry Pte I joined up to shoot guns and blow stuff up .
 
Bob_the_lost said:
I thought we were talking about the military not the Royal, we wish we had an, Air Force

Last i heard they were being cut down, without any engineering qualifications or flight experience you're probably not going to make it past application stage.

We are talking about the Froces, aren't we? The OP is talking about the Army and I'm talking about the RAF.
 
I'm tool old to be of any use it seems
Did their online assessment just now
seems I am AMBER
It then threw a possible 84 jobs I might consider
The only one I could do (fucking one) because I am over 33 and therefore too old for the rest is:

Musician
Male / Female Corps of Army Music 17 - 36 years Regular & Territorial
No GCSE Requirements
Delivering musical support <eh?>to the Army around the world and providing operational support to the Army Medical Service

d'ya think they need a bassist?
 
Fuck the army, Id rather fuck off to some exotic country with a TEFL qualification at least you wont get shot at/blown to pieces/maimed for life/maim others for life.
 
5t3IIa said:
We are talking about the Froces, aren't we? The OP is talking about the Army and I'm talking about the RAF.
True, but even so i'd be very surprised if they were interested for the reasons i gave earlier. What do you offer the RAF that a younger person doesn't?
 
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