Indeed. In few matters can Pavlov's principle be re-enacted so predictably and so satisfyingly.William of Walworth said:On a mischief-making level, this strategy also has its attractions though ...
"It's PC gone mad!" Lambeth's Christmas Lights renamed "Winter Lights"
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Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
I'm all for a non-denominational winter celebration in the vein of Festivus.
We'll have no intravenous 'celebrations' or we'll pack you off to the Brighton Terrace drug treatment centre.Orang Utan said:
IntoStella said:Indeed. In few matters can Pavlov's principle be re-enacted so predictably and so satisfyingly.
Those original dogs showed more critical faculty, scepticism, and intellectual incisiveness though ....
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
William of Walworth said:
Someone probably ate his swan and he's cheesed off with it.
Orang Utan said:
A Festographer agrees
... but keep it quiet dammit!!!<looks over shoulder nervously, for Mail PC Gone Mad type lynchmob
>RushcroftRoader
Well-Known Member
I don't really think it was a Daily Mail rant - and for the record I think the paper is the worst on the news-stand.
OK, so I didn't read the whole 4 pages of the thread before my post. Fair enough.
But if you have a go at someone for standing up for what they believe - then well, how shall I put this delicately... you can go stick a winter festival shiny street light up your arse.
OK, so I didn't read the whole 4 pages of the thread before my post. Fair enough.
But if you have a go at someone for standing up for what they believe - then well, how shall I put this delicately... you can go stick a winter festival shiny street light up your arse.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
I also do believe that if they were to ban any Xmas type festivities on the grounds that it might offend other religions, it would be insane. But that hasn't actually happened has it?
The real story is one of this non-story being used by sections of the right-wing press.
Daily Express front page banner headline 'Muslims ban Christmas.'
That is obviously calculated to stir racial hatred and to incite racial violence, and has no regards to the facts. Especially when you consider that the Muslim Council of Britain have condemned any suggestion that Christmas is offensive to Muslims. Indeed they have issued a statement saying that people of all faiths and backgrounds enjoy some Christmas celebrations and that the whole point of a society like ours is to enjoy the diversity of faiths and celebrations.
Most state schools have done away with religious assemblies - does this equal 'banning Christianity'?
However, around this time of year we do have Ede, Diwali, Xmas, Samhain...so if a council wishes to embrace all such I, as a non-believer, have no cause to complain. Christians can celebrate Xmas as they see fit. It is not necessary for councils to celebrate one religious festival rather than another. All or nothing would be fair. If people want pretty winter lights let them have them (environmental considerations aside), what they have to do with a Christian Christmas though is beyond me. Calling them Christmas lights may be offensive to some Christians!
Daily Express front page banner headline 'Muslims ban Christmas.'
That is obviously calculated to stir racial hatred and to incite racial violence, and has no regards to the facts. Especially when you consider that the Muslim Council of Britain have condemned any suggestion that Christmas is offensive to Muslims. Indeed they have issued a statement saying that people of all faiths and backgrounds enjoy some Christmas celebrations and that the whole point of a society like ours is to enjoy the diversity of faiths and celebrations.
Most state schools have done away with religious assemblies - does this equal 'banning Christianity'?
However, around this time of year we do have Ede, Diwali, Xmas, Samhain...so if a council wishes to embrace all such I, as a non-believer, have no cause to complain. Christians can celebrate Xmas as they see fit. It is not necessary for councils to celebrate one religious festival rather than another. All or nothing would be fair. If people want pretty winter lights let them have them (environmental considerations aside), what they have to do with a Christian Christmas though is beyond me. Calling them Christmas lights may be offensive to some Christians!
RushcroftRoader said:I don't really think it was a Daily Mail rant - and for the record I think the paper is the worst on the news-stand.
OK, so I didn't read the whole 4 pages of the thread before my post. Fair enough.
But if you have a go at someone for standing up for what they believe - then well, how shall I put this delicately... you can go stick a winter festival shiny street light up your arse.
Cheers, thats comfortable
But you're not 'standing up for what you believe in'. You were 'believing in' a non story that had never actually happened, and ranting about all the outrageous implications of something that didn't actually happen ... and you didn't bother to check, or even be a bit sceptical, until I kicked you to rethink.
Apparantly you just automatically (kneejerkly?) believed this 'PC Gone Mad' story had actually happened, perhaps on the understandable grounds that Lambeth are notorious for incomepetence and might actually have done it.
But they hadn't. It was only one idiotic Lambeth Councillor -- a Tory I think -- who'd seized on probably unreliable inside-Council gossip he'd picked up on about what HE decided amounted to 'banning' Christmas, then he ramped up the half-formed, not even implemented proposal/idea, hyped it up as a decision already set in stone, then rang round his mates with contacts to the sensationalist press, who I'm sure he KNEW just love this sort of 'scandal' ...
(Whereas a SENSIBLE rather than sensation-seeking Councillor would have spoken to the relevant Department, found out the full facts, and got it sorted)
...but that didn't happen, so ...
Bingo!!!!!!
CHRISTMAS BANNED!!
And you swallowed this dodgy, source-free, reliability-free bollocks like the gullible mug you appear to be ... call it standing up for what you believe in if you want, I call it standing up for your right to be a gullible fool ...
I'll tell you what I believe in :
1. Countering myths and lies in Tory press headlines. It's hard bloody work this myth-countering stuff, y'know!
2. What Orang Utan said :
Orang Utan said:
There is no 'Political Correctness Brigade' anywhere, ever, 'going mad'.
And anyone who thinks there is, is IMNVHO, a twat ....
han
love is the answer
This is all bonkers. OK, I'm not mad on Christmas anyway, our oldest tradition in this country is a pagan one...but...
Why oh why do we have to neutralize everything to the point of insanity?
I can't imagine the Saudis thinking, 'oooh, we'd better not offend Christians who live here, let's rename Ramadan "festival of hunger" ' or some such bollox.
Multiculturalism and diversity rock, it is great that we all live together in this wonderful city in relative harmony, but we shouldn't allow our culture to disappear down the plugole...
Why oh why do we have to neutralize everything to the point of insanity?
I can't imagine the Saudis thinking, 'oooh, we'd better not offend Christians who live here, let's rename Ramadan "festival of hunger" ' or some such bollox.
Multiculturalism and diversity rock, it is great that we all live together in this wonderful city in relative harmony, but we shouldn't allow our culture to disappear down the plugole...
stamfordcfc
New Member
Christmas lights in Streatham
Streatham lights not to be turned on by Rapist bomb victim but the Mayor instead
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4447108.stm
Streatham lights not to be turned on by Rapist bomb victim but the Mayor instead
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4447108.stm
Cadmus
SINsational
han said:
Han, have you actually read this thread properly?
I wonder if you could do me a favour and read one of two of my posts earlier up, please.
This 'Winter Lights' thing is NOT HAPPENING in Lambeth, the 'plan' to do so was quickly overruled -- I did duly criticise the possibility that it was ever contemplated in the first place, but at the end of the day it's actually a NON STORY!!
In fact most (nearly all) of these stories about 'banning Christmas' are made up tabloid sensationalised bollocks.
Please apply more scepticism people, the track record of 'accuracy' of the vast majority of these 'political correctness gone mad' stories is lamentable -- they are largely being made up (or at least sensationalised out of something much more mundane and minor) by the right wing press for shock horror outrage fury headlines, to whip their stupid readers into a froth of ignorant anger, and to push their own political agenda.
Why is it that so many otherwise sensible people seem so (apparantly) prepared to line up alongside the Daily Express headline believing gullibles, in believing this shit??
Dan U said:
Make sure you check properly, and without any preconceived wish on your part (??) to believe it.
Any dodgy quote some Islington councillor was quoted as saying, was probably selectively edited, and could well have been the result of a stitch up by sensation seeking journalists.
(Not ruling out the chance that the councillor in question might have been stupid too, mind
)And Islington haven't 'taken up' the idea anyway, because it was DROPPED in Lambeth -- how many more times??
William of Walworth said:Make sure you check properly, and without any preconceived wish on your part (??) to believe it.
And Islington haven't 'taken up' the idea anyway, because it was DROPPED in Lambeth -- how many more times??
ok, poor choice of phrase on the 'taken up'
local news paper report here -
need to scroll down
and as for my preconceived wish on wanting it to be true. i'd much rather it wasnt. as i'm sure you'll agree it just lengthens the stick the Mail etc use to beat perfectly good idea's with (of which this is not one)
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Plenty of Christmas lights in Lambeth according to their website
http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/WhatsNew/WhatsOn.htm
http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/WhatsNew/WhatsOn.htm
Dan U said:
Fair points, I've never denied that sometimes councils undermine themselves with coutnterproductive and even sometimes over zealous decisions ...
But still ... scepticiem with the media version of the stories, always!
han
love is the answer
William of Walworth said:
Ooops, sorry Will, I skim-read it and jumped to the wrong conclusion
Totally agree with you mate.....Christmas lights ahoy, yipeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
<slaps self on wrist for sounding like a daily-mail reader when I am not a fascist at all, honest!>
Bloody right-wing tabloids, grrrr!!!
lang rabbie
Je ne regrette les gazebos
Blimey, Waterloo have outdone Brixton's four multi-denominational church choirs in ensuring that the switching on of their Christmas Lights tonight is suffiently holy
Lambeth press release - 30 November 2005 said:
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
So the lights are going to be switched on by somebody best known for portraying a secretive psychopathic killer....
PacificOcean
Unhinged User
Donna Ferentes said:
Least with all these lights on - he is less likely to get "mugged" when "walking his dog" at three in the morning (it was Spacey, wasn't it?)
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