It's official, Saddam executed by hanging

[tangentlama]

What utter utter tosh are you talking about now? Have you ever read a history book? Where is the second Anglo Boer war, the dreadnought race or the entente cordial?

well spotted, david dissadent: note LeChat's neat sideways shunt onto the new 'U.S/CIA sponsored theory' that Saddham never gassed the Kurds, and that it was, yes! Iran.(NOT)

feck off, LeChat, you agent of disinformation

Hussein, 69, who demanded a cultlike devotion from his people and built monuments to proclaim his own greatness, was hung around 6 a.m. local time (10 p.m. Friday EST) in the American-controlled Green Zone in central Baghdad. Hussein was executed before a small group of observers, including some who had been tortured by his regime.
Washington Post

"There was no comment from the White House, which was determined that the execution should appear to be an Iraqi event." In fact, Saddam Hussein was held by US authorities until the very moment of the execution, which took place in the US military-controlled Green Zone in Baghdad.
Telegraph

and some nitty gritty

Baghdad: The new investment law, expected to be issued in Iraq soon, has led to differences of opinion in economic and political quarters. It is feared that the law will interfere with the country's sovereignty and harm the private sector, which is unable to hold its own against foreign competitors. http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/06/06/26/10049513.html

 

[jæd]

No because we can not move on from revenge and all this will do is increase the ongoing problems in Iraq plus he has not stood for his other crimes.

Fair point about his other crimes... The gassing of his people, the invasion of other countries, leading to around a million people killed in wars he has caused and the systematic torture and disappearence of his people...?

Moving on from revenge...? This tidies up the loose ends of his horrific regime and stops people using him as a rallying point...

 

[david dissadent]

This tidies up the loose ends of his horrific regime and stops people using him as a rallying point...

Ummm absolutely not this makes him a martyr and a rallying point with the additional bonus of people being able to rally round his memory without ever having to put him back in power.

 

[phildwyer]

The gassing of his people

He didn't gas 'his people.' It is time to stop parrotting this Bush canard.

 

[david dissadent]

He didn't gas 'his people.' It is time to stop parrotting this Bush canard.

Are you disputing who did the gassing or that the Kurds were his people?

 

[phildwyer]

Are you disputing who did the gassing or that the Kurds were his people?

The latter.

 

[david dissadent]

The latter.

They were citizens of Iraq so far as I know what evidence do you have to argue this point.

 

[phildwyer]

They were citizens of Iraq

They were not Arabs.

 

[tangentlama]

He didn't gas 'his people.' It is time to stop parrotting this Bush canard.

why stop 'parrotting' only after Saddham has been killed by judicial hanging, and when the main thrust of the argument for his death was that he had gassed the Kurds, 'his people' to return to the CIA/DIA-story which began in 2003, and then re-focus the exact same 'line' 'Kurds gassed by (insert name here) upon Iran?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

They were not Arabs.

Exactly, everyone hates the Kurds innit.

 

[e19896]

Fair point about his other crimes... The gassing of his people, the invasion of other countries, leading to around a million people killed in wars he has caused and the systematic torture and disappearence of his people...?

Moving on from revenge...? This tidies up the loose ends of his horrific regime and stops people using him as a rallying point...

No far from this will happen and i aint a Saddam apologists i have been involved with this issue from 1991 and helped organise this http://www.synergynet.co.uk/sheffield-iraq/
was an active member of http://www.casi.org.uk
which following 9/11 grew into this http://www.stopwar.org.uk in Sheffield taken over by The SWP i left and still working with http://www.j-n-v.org i give these links in the hope some people will bother one to read and two stop calling me names as on other post and i love to spend time in conversation on this because it is important to me however i have a game of anarchist football to goto and have a laugh with some mates and fuck i need it i feel very sad at this news and not because one is a Saddam apologists far from it read the links

 

[david dissadent]

They were not Arabs.

As head of government of Iraq all Iraqi people are legally within his nation. He did not grant them there own independant state and fought brutaly to retain them as part of Iraq.

They were his people for all practicle and legal purposes.

 

[mrs quoad]

Gosh. I was hoping to wake up to hot chocolate and crumpets.

Oh well.

 

[phildwyer]

why stop 'parrotting' only after Saddham has been killed by judicial hanging, and when the main thrust of the argument for his death was that he had gassed the Kurds, 'his people' to return to the CIA/DIA-story which began in 2003, and then re-focus the exact same 'line' 'Kurds gassed by (insert name here) upon Iran?

As I recall, the line was originally parrotted to rationalize the invasion. The inference was: if Saddam is capable of gassing *his own people* imagine what he'll do to us...

 

[phildwyer]

They were his people for all practicle and legal purposes.

Well *they* certainly didn't think so.

 

[david dissadent]

when the main thrust of the argument for his death was that he had gassed the Kurds, 'his people'

On November 5, 2006, Saddam Hussein was found guilty of crimes against humanity in ordering the deaths of 148 Shi'ite villagers in the town of Dujail in 1982 and sentenced to death by hanging.

He was hung for the massicare at Dujail.

Hallabja was used as an example of his criminal behaviour but it was far from the sum of it.

 

[tangentlama]

They were not Arabs.

the 'mythological arab' barely exists except in the minds of ignorant U.S. analysts - it's like calling someone from USA, UK or Australia 'ENGLISH'

hope you're all feelin' clearer about that

 

[david dissadent]

Well *they* certainly didn't think so.

Irrelevant.

 

[phildwyer]

the 'mythological arab' barely exists except in the minds of ignorant U.S. analysts - it's like calling someone from USA, UK or Australia 'ENGLISH'

Perhaps you have another term to designate the Arabic-speaking people?

 

[tangentlama]

He was hung for the massicare at Dujail.

Hallabja was used as an example of his criminal behaviour but it was far from the sum of it.

how clever of CIA/DIA - now they can bring the 'it was Iran wot killed the Kurds' line back to the forefront.

 

[tangentlama]

Perhaps you have another term to designate the Arabic-speaking people?

yes. i call them 'cousin'. what do you call them?

if you're referring to 'arabic speaking people' then call them 'arabic speaking people' but do not call them 'arabs' since 'arabs' come from 'saudia arabia'.

i do not call druze 'arab', i do not call samaritan 'arab', i do not call bedoua 'arab', i do not call palestinian 'arab', i do not call 'kurd' arab. shall i continue?

 

[editor]

Can't see how this barbaric act is going to help things.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

He was hung for the massicare at Dujail.

Hanged not hung.

Hung is what you did to your washing.

People get hanged.





As you were.

 

[pembrokestephen]

Fuck. RIP Saddam.

Bush you killed far more and have escaped justice you cunt. If there is Karma your fucking next.

Oh, there's karma, but I shouldn't imagine Bush will get his for a while to come...

 

[ska invita]

Can't see how this barbaric act is going to help things.

just saw some footage on the tv - anyone else feel sick?

 

[david dissadent]

Hanged not hung.

Hung is what you did to your washing.

People get hanged.





As you were.

[humour]Should I start decribing myself as well hanged then[/humour]

 

[e19896]

He didn't gas 'his people.' It is time to stop parrotting this Bush canard.

FUCK OFF

Eyewitness in Halabja.

On March 13, 1988, the city of Halabja in Iraqi Kurdistan was almost completely destroyed by the Iraqi armed forces using chemical weapons, supplied by the West. Around 5,000 people were killed at the time and many more more died from their injuries over the next few weeks. Halabja was not chosen arbitrarily as the site for such a massacre. It had been a major site of proletarian struggle against the Iran-Iraq war - in which the US had backed Iraq. There was at least one deserter in every house, and sometimes four or five. The following is a summary of translations of letters and articles we have seen, written by comrades living in Halabja before and during the massacre. As the account speaks for itself, we see no need to elaborate.

Read more http://libcom.org/history/articles/halabja-massacre-1988/

 

[Loki]

Any aliens watching this thread would think that Saddam was a kindly leader who was loved by his people

Nope, nothing I've said suggests that Saddam was anything other than an a thug and murderer who gloried in violence.

I did suggest though that one way of stopping the mayhem would be to give him the one thing he was keen to avoid - time alone to pace up and down in his cell and reflect on the awful things he did, then to die pretty much forgotten.

Seems to me a better way to break the cycle of violence...

 

[tangentlama]

let this be a lesson to all!

beware americans bearing gifts of arms!

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Would it be normal, in the operation of a criminal justice system, for someone convicted of a capital crime to be hanged almost immediately after the verdict, and in secret? Would this happen, for instance, in the US?