Italy v USA
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Genghis Cohen said:
It was only about five yards into the half, if it had been thirty yards nearer to goal then yes, sending off. As it is, yellow was about right.
I'm still waiting to hear what the ref did wrong given that it was the linesman who disallowed the goal and the ref has to take the linesman's opinion on offsides.
Genghis Cohen
Minister For Scrabble
JTG said:
Didnt know distance from goal was part of the rule, I'll take your word.
Genghis Cohen
Minister For Scrabble
Mmmmm, was on the wing wasnt he, further to travel and that.
Dr. Furface
One small step for me
I don't think I've ever seen a more totally fixed game in my life - the ref had clearly been bought off (maybe not too surprising when you consider the countries involved... ) . He sent the Italian off so that he could then look like he was being fair by sending 2 USA players off - the only thing that didn't go to plan was that Italy didn't win. THANK FUCK!
snadge said:
clearly not, anyone thinking that game was fixed is a nutjob, the only slightly iffy thing was the disallowed goal and given that ITV are too shite to show it again I can't comment on that. Even if it was wrong, it's the sort of wrong decision that happens anywhere, any time.
I mean, a two footed reckless lunge on a player's standing foot when the ball has long gone - that's a clear case of serious foul play and an automatic red card for fuck's sake.
I find the whole "player not involved" offside rule thing a bit daft TBH.
If the goal keeper has to take a specific player's location into account at all then that player is obviously "involved" in the game.
Dr. Furface - It seemed like the ref was giving itally the benefit of the doubt a bit too much and I thought the two red cards against the US were rather unusual (though strictly speaking perfectly justified). I don't think it was a rigged match though. I've seen a lot worse.
If the goal keeper has to take a specific player's location into account at all then that player is obviously "involved" in the game.
Dr. Furface - It seemed like the ref was giving itally the benefit of the doubt a bit too much and I thought the two red cards against the US were rather unusual (though strictly speaking perfectly justified). I don't think it was a rigged match though. I've seen a lot worse.
Batboy
Trumpeting is good for you...
umm....dodgy ref?
Larrionda had refereed a previous match involving the U.S. that generated controversy.
In June 2003, during a Confederations Cup match in France, he awarded Turkey a controversial penalty kick and Turkey scored again later on a play that appeared to be offside. Larrionda was banned for six months in 2002 by his country’s soccer federation for unspecified “irregularities.” Two days before the suspension he had been chosen to officiate at the 2002 World Cup, which he was then forced to miss.
I feel the quality of refereeing has not been that good in the World Cup
Larrionda had refereed a previous match involving the U.S. that generated controversy.
In June 2003, during a Confederations Cup match in France, he awarded Turkey a controversial penalty kick and Turkey scored again later on a play that appeared to be offside. Larrionda was banned for six months in 2002 by his country’s soccer federation for unspecified “irregularities.” Two days before the suspension he had been chosen to officiate at the 2002 World Cup, which he was then forced to miss.
I feel the quality of refereeing has not been that good in the World Cup
Magneze said:
But the player who score wasn't offside. I thought the rule had been changed in this world cup so that if the player isn't involved, it isn't offside. Look at the Argentina v Ivory Coast game; the second Argentina goal was offside if we use the same criteria as the USA game.
Donna Ferentes
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Which means the Czechs should have had that goal at the start of the second half against Ghana, shouldn't it?
I always like the US team and their supporters. If I were looking for Americans ignorant or disdainful of the rest of the world, wouldn't the soccer-playing community be just about the last place I looked?
I always like the US team and their supporters. If I were looking for Americans ignorant or disdainful of the rest of the world, wouldn't the soccer-playing community be just about the last place I looked?
Batboy said:
But you cannot find fault with the sendings off and the offside decision is down to the linesman. For the last time, show me a major decision made by that ref which was dodgy or wrong?
TAE - there was nothing 'rather unusual' about the US sendings off, the first was the sort of rash challenge which could break legs, the second was two bookable offences, both of which were clear bookings.
As far as the offside's concerned, I still haven't seen it and doubt I will now. However, the 'interfering with play' rule is wide open to interpretation isn't it? If a player's that close to goal and to the 'keeper, you can argue that no matter where the ball is he is still interfering with the play. As I say though, lino's call, you cannot possibly blame the ref as he has to trust the judgement of the man with the flag.
The quality of refereeing's been OK in the games I've seen, better than some of the downright weird performances we saw four years ago
