Italian Riot Police @ Roma
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revol68 said:
that linfield versus pretty much anyone bar glentoran and cliftonville* is pretty much a standard game with no more violence than you would see anywhere else
that you are comparing a linfied / larne love-fest to last nights trouble is truly fucken hilarious tho
* and even that has paled in comparison with cville / portadown games in more recent years
copliker said:As if to compensate for the aggro, the camera kept picking out glamourous italian women in the crowd.That's sort of normal, but last night was ott. Creepy job.
camera man was a bit special - for the united goal they zoomed in on ronaldos run on his shorts and they prety much missed the 2nd roma goal from every angle...
revol68
what, fucking what?
Chorlton said:
i'm talking about games in the early 90's.Once I got past a certain age it wasn't so much fun to sit beside sectarian wee pricks who'd happily give me a kicking everyother day of the week. And Larne versus Linfield was not a love fest on a number of occassions, especially as some of it was fuelled by loyalist feuding. Larne has always been more sympathetic to the Glens.
revol68 said:
ohhhh the early 90s.... fuck.. yeah 'the bad old days' - the linfield mob would swing into town mob handed- remember when the fan accidently let the dog of the lead and it got on the pitch.... thought it was gonna get nasty in the second half of ballymena versus larne game one time "I ASKED FOR BOVRIL NOT TEA!!!' - ground went deathly silent after that - jackie fulelrton described the scenes with horror - it was alright tho a quick thinking girl behind the counter had a bovril on hand... fucked up days and no mistake
respect soldier
proper aggro
editor
hiraethified
It's what they did at Italy vs Wales and the police simply ignored the stuff pouring down on the Welsh fans. Some Italian fans were just pissing over the edge onto Welsh familes below. My mates who went said it was absolutely *horrible* from start to finish. They were treated like shit.PieEye said:
revol68
what, fucking what?
Chorlton said:
I wasn't claiming kudos about it, especially as I was about 10 and my role in the pitched battle was being moved the fuck as quickly as possible by my dad. The worse scenes were at home when my mum went apeshit about it and threatened no more Larne matches.
editor
hiraethified
Far from just doing TV interviews (which are a useful part of any activist campaign), I was also busy informing football fans about their rights, getting thousands of 'Bust Cards' printed up, contributing my work to the Kick Racism Out Of Football campaign, trying to make linKs with the broader anti CJA movement, running a grass roots anti-racist fanzine and flogging it on the terraces and doing my best to make sure that the police wouldn't be able to take the piss out of my fellow supporters.revol68 said:
What's been your contribution to football, Mr 'real' politics? You don't even go to games, for fucks sake.
The Pious Pawn
I Can
At least the italian fa had the balls to go through with juves punishment , something our corrupt fa never had .
revol68
what, fucking what?
editor said:
no offence but my politics didn't revolve around football, but fair fucks for what you did, but lets just say your politics haven't really moved beyond superficial touch ups. You don't have any notion about class struggle and think eating in Burger King is embracing corporate capitalism, so it's probably best you stick to football politics.
maximilian ping
Grrrrr
some nasty footage, but English fans must know by now that other country's police have less of a softly softly attitude to hooligans than the English police. The English fans are treated with kid gloves in this country so when they go to Italy/France they get their arses kicked. The French World Cup police were the same as the Italians last night: if you want to cause trouble we will put you in hospital
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
maximilian ping said:
That is certainly true, but there is also an element of truth in what copliker says, and (perhaps linked) one also must look at the equipment of the Italian police shown during the scenes last night - did anyone see a riot shield? or any of them wearing protective overalls? The police officer who died in Sicily a few months ago apparently didnt even have a protective vest, and it may well have been true here as well.
It looked like they had just been given a helmet and a big stick, which one might well suggest will inevitably lead to what happened - they cant stand there and protect themselves from missiles and the "braver" supporters running at them in any other way than hitting people, or charging in and hitting them. The provision of proper equipment would allow different, less violent tactics to be used (can anyone remember the last time equally brutal scenes occured in the UK?), though of course you cannot totally eradicate the risk.
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mattie
missing in inaction
The Pious Pawn said:
Yep, I seem to remember Swindon got a bit of a hiding for some dodgy dealings but Tottenham got off comparatively lightly for a similar offense. Can't recall many of the details, but the general opinion was that the FA didn't really follow it all through properly.
The Pious Pawn
I Can
nope they let the big club of hammered the small
maximilian ping
Grrrrr
agricola said:That is certainly true, but there is also an element of truth in what copliker says, and (perhaps linked) one also must look at the equipment of the Italian police shown during the scenes last night - did anyone see a riot shield? or any of them wearing protective overalls? The police officer who died in Sicily a few months ago apparently didnt even have a protective vest, and it may well have been true here as well.
It looked like they had just been given a helmet and a big stick, which one might well suggest will inevitably lead to what happened - they cant stand there and protect themselves from missiles and the "braver" supporters running at them in any other way than hitting people, or charging in and hitting them. The provision of proper equipment would allow different, less violent tactics to be used (can anyone remember the last time equally brutal scenes occured in the UK?), though of course you cannot totally eradicate the risk.
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good points esp about no armour. for Italian police it seems attack is best form of defence
copliker: i think the italian police probably love the political side of the ultras so they leave that well alone, but i'm sure they get stuck in if violence erupts
Good to hear that ManU have condemned the police actions and are asking for witnesses:
http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={B4CEE8FA-9A47-47BC-B069-3F7A2F35DB70}&newsid=417063
http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={B4CEE8FA-9A47-47BC-B069-3F7A2F35DB70}&newsid=417063
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