Israel's verdict: We lost the war
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nino_savatte
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Lock&Light said:I wonder if you think it might be just a bit more true if you say it in capital letters.
You haven't made any contributions to his thread, apart from the usual crap put downs and sniping.
If you were genuinely witty and humorous I could understand, but you're not.
sleaterkinney
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What point are you trying to make, you said "American AID is more symbolic than anything. Certain munitions though are highly valued but hardly mean anything crucial." when they pay one fifth of your defence budget - how is that more symbolic than anything?. And where does it say anything about it ending?rachamim18 said:
tangentlama
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so what was happening in the west bank, whilst we were distracted by the assault on the lebanese?
nino_savatte
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tangentlama said:
There appears to have been some sort of virtual news black out. Afaik, Gaza is still being bombed.
ViolentPanda
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Spion said:
Fuck all in an Apache or Cobra except a pylon payload of rockets and missliles, and a hopper full of chaingun ammo. They're air assault 'copters, not personnel transports. You could strap 1, maybe two people to the skids without compromising manouverability too badly, and if half the payload had been dispensed, but those 'copters are designed to go in fast, shoot their wad and get the hell out of Dodge, nothing else.
fishfingerer
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Fish: Ah46s are equip[ped with netting that are able to take an incredible amount of weight. Inside there are two seats. Your gunner,co ma, and severakl cms. higher your pilot. Even there there is some room, cramped but capable if load is light to fit tow squuezed men.
We could not use them in combat scenarios because of the large amount of ground to air figher as deminstrated by the loss of CHs
Please learn what you are talking about
We could not use them in combat scenarios because of the large amount of ground to air figher as deminstrated by the loss of CHs
Please learn what you are talking about
Panda: Yes, that is their objecvtie use and work great in the Territtories but are not worth a shit up north. In fact, as Paratroopers fopund out two weekends ago, even the transports are worthless. When we evac badly injured we are using Cobras. There is no choice unless you are eright on the Blue Line.
In just rereading this thread I find that fish soemthing or other has quoted a Ha'aretz article stating that gunships took out tanks at the Beirut airport. Bad news, it was a naval attack. Again, gunships were non-operational [and rightly so].
Oh, and Tangent, for the first almost 2 weeks back I was deployed around Nablus so I can fill you in on that part of the world. when the campaign began the first elements reactivated were used to refill vacancies created by Actie Duty going up north. The next phase rotates us in anbd had newer Reserves taking our backs, etc.
It was actually very active in the so called "West Bank." My first day back included a fatal firefight. I think they took inspiration from uo north.
Oh, and Tangent, for the first almost 2 weeks back I was deployed around Nablus so I can fill you in on that part of the world. when the campaign began the first elements reactivated were used to refill vacancies created by Actie Duty going up north. The next phase rotates us in anbd had newer Reserves taking our backs, etc.
It was actually very active in the so called "West Bank." My first day back included a fatal firefight. I think they took inspiration from uo north.
fishfingerer
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Fish: Try IAF F16, the only think the IAF used on runs in Lebanon thos time around. Since all journalists were barred from operational areas it does not suprise me that there are a mnumber of areas. Of course some did get in from the other side but they are more often not mere propaganda hacks.
I should not waste my time explaining things to you with the callous manner with whcih you have chosen to engagem me but I will take a chance and seee. The IAF made a tactical decison at the onset that NO copters would be used in thsi campaign because of the wealth of ground to air armamaments Hezbollah has cached.
Two weeks ago Paratroopers who come under the IDF, not IAF, comvinced the IAF to allow copters to ferry men in what become the biggest Airborne operation in Israeli history. A couple of things went wrong logistically but the main snafu was that Hezbollah has a neat Intel set up from our side of the border [Druse villages] that allows them to know when we live and in what direction those copters were going. They knew the probable landing pad and since the copters began leaving late, Hezbollah had almost full moonlight on its side.
The first 4 dropped their load and the first toof off back down the line. about 800 meters out it took a shot to the shde that forced into a hillside killing the crew. The IAF scratched it abnd reiterated its diuctum of no copters over Lebanese soil. The others in air on way to landing were turned around and the 3 left on the grouund were flown out with fighter escort.
No disrespect to yout Yahoo, and previous Ha'aretz pieces but it hasn't happenedd. In fact, I see in the Yahoo piece it even mentions the light houses I talked aount in a naval fussilade. We do have gunships, but I think in english they care called gunships as part pf the navy.
I should not waste my time explaining things to you with the callous manner with whcih you have chosen to engagem me but I will take a chance and seee. The IAF made a tactical decison at the onset that NO copters would be used in thsi campaign because of the wealth of ground to air armamaments Hezbollah has cached.
Two weeks ago Paratroopers who come under the IDF, not IAF, comvinced the IAF to allow copters to ferry men in what become the biggest Airborne operation in Israeli history. A couple of things went wrong logistically but the main snafu was that Hezbollah has a neat Intel set up from our side of the border [Druse villages] that allows them to know when we live and in what direction those copters were going. They knew the probable landing pad and since the copters began leaving late, Hezbollah had almost full moonlight on its side.
The first 4 dropped their load and the first toof off back down the line. about 800 meters out it took a shot to the shde that forced into a hillside killing the crew. The IAF scratched it abnd reiterated its diuctum of no copters over Lebanese soil. The others in air on way to landing were turned around and the 3 left on the grouund were flown out with fighter escort.
No disrespect to yout Yahoo, and previous Ha'aretz pieces but it hasn't happenedd. In fact, I see in the Yahoo piece it even mentions the light houses I talked aount in a naval fussilade. We do have gunships, but I think in english they care called gunships as part pf the navy.
Barking_Mad
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Moono: Well, considering that Hafia siuffered pretty badly the Deputy Mayor was poutting his partisan interests ahead of those that elcted him. He deserves to beg for a living.
And there goes a political career.
nino_savatte
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rachamim18 said:
What political career? Yours? Don't make me laugh.
nino_savatte
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rachamim18 said:
I think this sums up the racism that you desperately try to keep obscured...and every now and again it comes out, like it has here.
Nino: I would never venture into Israeli or any other politics. I was referring to the mayor of Hafia. Racism? You do know the mayor is Jewish, don't yopu? And if he was Arab, how would that be construed as racist?
nino_savatte
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rachamim18 said:
Wtf are you talking about? You aren't even consistent, as this post shows.
Nino: WTF? You asked if I was talking about a political career for myself. Seems you cannot even follow your own lines of thought, let alone others. Worry about your own consistency.
nino_savatte
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rachamim18 said:
I've been away for a few days...besides, the things you say on this forum sound like the sort of things a politician of a particular stripe might say.
Fair enough Nino
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