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Israel's verdict: We lost the war
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fishfingerer
sultan of cringe
Bullshit. They used apaches and cobras.rachamim18 said:
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
well you can't FEEL that much for Israel if you're not prepared to commit yourself to it economically, as well as militarilyrachamim18 said:
Foreigner: Israel's objectives never consisted of disarming , let alone destroyinh the organisation. A known evil is far better than an unknown evil. The main objective was to severaly curtail its medium to long range missile attacks on northern Israel, To that end it has been completely sucessfful.
Admittedly it has failed in gaining the release of the kidnapped soldiers but in truth this was never expected. They were considered dead the minute that they had separated from their squad
Your comment that "nobody would be stupid enough to disarm Hezbollah." The Resoilution requires it and if it is not carried out as promised the war will escalate. That is a fact. It is quite possible to accomplish with just a modiucum of focrs should the UN suddenlt and suprisingly develp just a tad bit of spine., as well as a move in tandem againt both Iran and Syria to stop th flow of weaponry.
Belushi: While you were "lurking" you might also have seen at least three l;enghtly posts wqhere I listed everything frim my birthname [suprise! IT is the one I post with is Belushi yourt G-D given name?], actual home adresss, place of employmeny, employer, army division, battalion, platoon, squad, and so on. Save youer time and energy. Instead of trying to see if I am someone else, simply argue YOUR CASE ON ITS OWN MERITS. wOULD THAT NOT BE MORE PRODUCTIVE?
Admittedly it has failed in gaining the release of the kidnapped soldiers but in truth this was never expected. They were considered dead the minute that they had separated from their squad
Your comment that "nobody would be stupid enough to disarm Hezbollah." The Resoilution requires it and if it is not carried out as promised the war will escalate. That is a fact. It is quite possible to accomplish with just a modiucum of focrs should the UN suddenlt and suprisingly develp just a tad bit of spine., as well as a move in tandem againt both Iran and Syria to stop th flow of weaponry.
Belushi: While you were "lurking" you might also have seen at least three l;enghtly posts wqhere I listed everything frim my birthname [suprise! IT is the one I post with is Belushi yourt G-D given name?], actual home adresss, place of employmeny, employer, army division, battalion, platoon, squad, and so on. Save youer time and energy. Instead of trying to see if I am someone else, simply argue YOUR CASE ON ITS OWN MERITS. wOULD THAT NOT BE MORE PRODUCTIVE?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
rachamim18 said:
You're an inveterate liar and your posts are proof of this.
You make many claims about many things and many of the things you have said on this forum have been lies.
I've laced up my Docs and I'm ready.
RedJezza: Sadly, you know precious little in the way of the Israeli economy.
Take a look at our GDP. The outlay, not including domestic injuries, deathsm, and insurance payouts is in the area of 7 billion. That is nothing. Now look at American AID. American AID is more symbolic than anything. Certain munitions though are highly valued but hardly mean anything crucial.
As for "committing myself economically to Israel," you'd be much better off asking me a question rather than offering snide, snap judgements that are completly baseless.
Besides banking all my moneyin Israeli banks, and investing in national bonds among other things, I own three properties there.
Nino: "Who then were victimised by the Inquisition?" Anyone deviating from orthadox Church teachings.
FishFingerer: Apaches/Cobras were used as ferrie as well as chinooks. there was no gun ship activity AT All. ALL aerial bombardment was done by jet or drobne. It was [correctly] felt that Gunships were too vulnerable.
Belushi: It is true, we never do leave anyone behind. In the past we have traded prisoners for decayed skin. this is how serious we take this. There are on going efforts to recover the men.
Take a look at our GDP. The outlay, not including domestic injuries, deathsm, and insurance payouts is in the area of 7 billion. That is nothing. Now look at American AID. American AID is more symbolic than anything. Certain munitions though are highly valued but hardly mean anything crucial.
As for "committing myself economically to Israel," you'd be much better off asking me a question rather than offering snide, snap judgements that are completly baseless.
Besides banking all my moneyin Israeli banks, and investing in national bonds among other things, I own three properties there.
Nino: "Who then were victimised by the Inquisition?" Anyone deviating from orthadox Church teachings.
FishFingerer: Apaches/Cobras were used as ferrie as well as chinooks. there was no gun ship activity AT All. ALL aerial bombardment was done by jet or drobne. It was [correctly] felt that Gunships were too vulnerable.
Belushi: It is true, we never do leave anyone behind. In the past we have traded prisoners for decayed skin. this is how serious we take this. There are on going efforts to recover the men.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
That's not the entire picture though, is it? It wasn't just those persons who were Xtains who were victims of the Inquisition, was it?
I'll leave it there for now.
Btw, why are there so many massive gaps in your reply?
KiDEternity: I suggest that you focus more on the issues at hand and not paranpid cyber fantasies.
Belushi: The prisoners are still the main focus of Israel.
Fish: They did use Apaches/Cobras...as ferries. No copter gunships were used in the campaign because of their clear vulnerability. Look what an RPG did to a Chinook on what was supposed to be the biggest Airborne Op in Israeli history. Just on RPG scrapped the whole op.
RedJezza: In addition to having just served in the Operation being discussed, all my money is banked in Israel, my entire potfolio is based in Israel, i won three properties there including two completed homes, and am in the procss of moving back fuLl time at my wife's urging. Again, why am I and not the issues subject for discussion?
Belushi: The prisoners are still the main focus of Israel.
Fish: They did use Apaches/Cobras...as ferries. No copter gunships were used in the campaign because of their clear vulnerability. Look what an RPG did to a Chinook on what was supposed to be the biggest Airborne Op in Israeli history. Just on RPG scrapped the whole op.
RedJezza: In addition to having just served in the Operation being discussed, all my money is banked in Israel, my entire potfolio is based in Israel, i won three properties there including two completed homes, and am in the procss of moving back fuLl time at my wife's urging. Again, why am I and not the issues subject for discussion?
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
err, which is why USG alone gives over 13 billion direct and indirect aid per year approx 10% or thereabouts of israel GDP, and why other organisations and individuals in the US give something like half as much again.rachamim18 said:
which is why as recently as 1998, the israeli govt admitted it wasn't financially independent, or anything near.
which is why the yanks bailed out the israeli banking system twice in the 80s.
if you thank all that's just 'symbolic' you're a financial illiterate. lying prick.
no I wouldn't - you're a spineless fucking hypocrite! You KNOW it would be harder to make it personally in israel than NYC, whatever line of work your in (other than killing civilians of course). You know the israeli economy is much more fragile. will you take the risk and anchor yourself permanently to the israeli economy, if it involves sacrifice and hardship on your par? clearly, not a chance.
hypocritotastic!
bully for you. so?
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
rachamim18 said:
Fair enough. I'm thinking now that you may not be Gollem (you're right it hardly matters who you are if you're going to spout nonsense) but that there is a factory somewhere. And in this factory they make clones of certain types of people to go online and parrot a political line without reflection, insight or consideration for the views of others.
How's that for a cyber fantasy?
?Nino: there massive gaps in my last couple of posts because there seems to be seomthing wrong with my sons computer although I am not the most computer literate man in the world. I have tried to edit it out as best I could,
Belushi: Many people could answer your question but for brevity's sake here...I have never posted under any other name, here or otherewise save plain old Rachgamimwithout the 18. Rachamim is my birth name. OK?
RedJezza: Please do your homework. You forgot to add that all such AID is bebeing phased out to total cessation.
As for total independance, it has been 100 percent self sustainable since 1964. Seems you need to rely less on those propaganda sites and more on non-biased economics sources.
Tell me, if you are so confident in your opinions and knowledge of the issues, why do you deem it at all neccessary to curse and denigrate a man you have never met? To me, you are as important as a fly on the wall. Neither good nor evil in my mind, Ergo, why do you spend wso much energy berqting me?
As to the jist of your ad hom attack, of course it is economica;;ly advantageous livijng in the states. The same way Nigerians,Irish come here, and a million other groups.
For the record kind one, I make my money in heavy concrte construction, of which you might know there is certainly no shortage of here...
Belushi: Many people could answer your question but for brevity's sake here...I have never posted under any other name, here or otherewise save plain old Rachgamimwithout the 18. Rachamim is my birth name. OK?
RedJezza: Please do your homework. You forgot to add that all such AID is bebeing phased out to total cessation.
As for total independance, it has been 100 percent self sustainable since 1964. Seems you need to rely less on those propaganda sites and more on non-biased economics sources.
Tell me, if you are so confident in your opinions and knowledge of the issues, why do you deem it at all neccessary to curse and denigrate a man you have never met? To me, you are as important as a fly on the wall. Neither good nor evil in my mind, Ergo, why do you spend wso much energy berqting me?
As to the jist of your ad hom attack, of course it is economica;;ly advantageous livijng in the states. The same way Nigerians,Irish come here, and a million other groups.
For the record kind one, I make my money in heavy concrte construction, of which you might know there is certainly no shortage of here...
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
rachamim18 said:
"American foreign military aid accounts for 20 per cent of Israel’s defence budget and, because it has to be spent in the United States, the Israelis typically use it to buy the most advanced equipment. "
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13129-2293610,00.html
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Oh dear, what was the title of this thread again? Something seems to have gone amiss.
fishfingerer
sultan of cringe
I was wondering about that too. And he's also bullshitting about the tank losses.Spion said:
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=2014598&C=landwar
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
and this hasn't happened yet, and certain figures in the israeli govt have said it may not get there. and the point is you HAVE needed aid, LOADS of it, to survive, EVERY single day from the day of independence.rachamim18 said:
no it hasn't, not by any possible definition of the word 'sustainable', and besides which I NEVER said it wasn't 'sustainable' - that's a totally different concept to self-sufficient - as you'd know if you really knew about economics. nice sleight of hand, but you're still a lying prick.
It is NOT self-sufficient or independent, and no reputable economist would say so.
and err, itwas the ISRAELI GOVERNMENT who admitted that they were not self-dependent, wrt the economy. you calling them liars? they'll love that in the knesset.
and how do you KNOW what sites I use to check up. again - lying prick, and tthat's four times I've caught you at. you're shit at this, ain'tcha?
and I bet YOU'RE not gonna front up any 'non-biased' sites yourself
simple.
don't like liars.
don't like hypocrites.
don't like people who shout the odds, but won't make the real commitments themselves.
don't like willing apologists for those who mug someone of their country, and then treat those people like dirt for over 50 years, or who participate in indiscriminate murder of civilians.
don't much like zionist racists either.
you qualify on all counts, by my book.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
btw, here's one of those propaganda-driven websites detailing the huge aid - military AND civil the Us has given to Israel.
The sites name? The Christian Science Monitor
If you REALLY don't think ALL THAT adds up to vital, indispensable assistance, then you can't fucking add up.
btw, yes, I am aware that the report is four years old, but it is in the nature of an economy to be a slow-moving, ponderous thing. economies don't change that much over time, barring a major global crash (i.e. '73, which btw, we also have you partly to thank for.
and in 2002;
lying prick, R18.
The sites name? The Christian Science Monitor
If you REALLY don't think ALL THAT adds up to vital, indispensable assistance, then you can't fucking add up.
btw, yes, I am aware that the report is four years old, but it is in the nature of an economy to be a slow-moving, ponderous thing. economies don't change that much over time, barring a major global crash (i.e. '73, which btw, we also have you partly to thank for.
and in 2002;
lying prick, R18.
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Supposedly you can attach pilots harnesses to the side of the apache in
an emergency .so one apache could rescue the crew of a downed one.Read a
story about some american pilot rescuing the crew of a downed chopper using this method in iraq.And the idf rescued a pilot from beriut by makinging him cling
to the side of a cobra back in the 80s.Not something you would make a habit
of though.
an emergency .so one apache could rescue the crew of a downed one.Read a
story about some american pilot rescuing the crew of a downed chopper using this method in iraq.And the idf rescued a pilot from beriut by makinging him cling
to the side of a cobra back in the 80s.Not something you would make a habit
of though.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
oh, umm, just one other thing. if all this civil and military aid is that irrelevant, how is it that israel put such a huge effort into attracting it? or are you saying that the USG and a huge number of organisations and individuals were NOT tapped up, constantly, and just woke up feeling generous one day?rachamim18 said:
yeah, right. fucking liar.
Sleater: Yes, but in your research you again failed to find the more important blurb about it endeding in totality. In addition, compare your 20% to the numbers involved in the Israeli armament industry.
RedJezza: Actually, it already happeneed, it is a gradual phaseout. It is signed and on the books. Good riddance.
Needed it? Yes, at times for sure. Since the very early 60ws though it has all been bonus. We are fully self sufficient and have been for almost half a century.
Many memebers of K'nesset have self serving interests in claiming that we need foreign AID. In fact many memebers ARE liars, just like politicians anywhere. Is that a big suprise to you?
As for Olmert's begging last month, of cvourse. If you offer me loads of cash, whether I need it or not, I'll accepot. Common sense. America is bying common objectives, nothing less or more.
As for your last post, see all the paragraphsa above.
As for your laundry list of my perceived faults, you have never met me, and are probably not adult enough to ever do so [my home adress is listed online here as well as loads of other info] so lets try and act like adults, ok?
Spion: Have you even seen the inside of an Apache?
Fish: We use M113s as battlefield trasnmports at times and a 9mm can peel one. We have only lost 3 Merkava in the entire campaign and 2 were from anti-tank and one from a Clay-moor, why not simply do your fact checking instead of trying to denigrate a person you never met. What a joke.
RedJezza: Actually, it already happeneed, it is a gradual phaseout. It is signed and on the books. Good riddance.
Needed it? Yes, at times for sure. Since the very early 60ws though it has all been bonus. We are fully self sufficient and have been for almost half a century.
Many memebers of K'nesset have self serving interests in claiming that we need foreign AID. In fact many memebers ARE liars, just like politicians anywhere. Is that a big suprise to you?
As for Olmert's begging last month, of cvourse. If you offer me loads of cash, whether I need it or not, I'll accepot. Common sense. America is bying common objectives, nothing less or more.
As for your last post, see all the paragraphsa above.
As for your laundry list of my perceived faults, you have never met me, and are probably not adult enough to ever do so [my home adress is listed online here as well as loads of other info] so lets try and act like adults, ok?
Spion: Have you even seen the inside of an Apache?
Fish: We use M113s as battlefield trasnmports at times and a 9mm can peel one. We have only lost 3 Merkava in the entire campaign and 2 were from anti-tank and one from a Clay-moor, why not simply do your fact checking instead of trying to denigrate a person you never met. What a joke.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
r18; you have been expossed as a lying hypocritical weasel ON YOUR WORDS A,LONE ON THIS THREAD, and the fact that you are too dim to see it does not mean we all share your room temperature IQ. And merely because you are also too fucking dumb too see that aid comes in many, many different forms, only ONE of which is direct economic and military handover, does not alter the fact that that is the only ones, out of the many forms of aid that MAY cease, or may not given traditional israel standardes of 'honesty', and pledge fulfilment.
it's hardly my fault that you're not man enough to take being thoroughly shown to be a liaqr, and a hypocrite.
it's hardly my fault that you're not man enough to take being thoroughly shown to be a liaqr, and a hypocrite.
fishfingerer
sultan of cringe
rachamim18 said:
Whose opinion is more credible, interweb bullshitter or high ranking IDF officer (who may be understating losses for propaganda and morale reasons.) I just can't decide.jerusalem post said:
RedJezza: Perhaps you missed the part from the mods about being suspended/banned for persistent ad hom attacks. Try some civility, it does wonder for one's maturity.
Fish: You said "destroyed tanks," the J. Post said "damaged tanks." All you have done is take two different issues and wasted space with them. 20 penetrations means nothing. In fact, more personel were injured/killed by anti-tank rounds outside of the Amroured Corps. than in it.
You are correct though that you should give more creedence to a mainstream print source thasn a facelesss [for those who havent taken the time to look at my photos] entity in cyberspace. One just hopes that you back your print source with at least two more CONCURRING sources...but of course that would not helpo you wsince you are rehashing different subjects into your stew of an opinion.
Fish: You said "destroyed tanks," the J. Post said "damaged tanks." All you have done is take two different issues and wasted space with them. 20 penetrations means nothing. In fact, more personel were injured/killed by anti-tank rounds outside of the Amroured Corps. than in it.
You are correct though that you should give more creedence to a mainstream print source thasn a facelesss [for those who havent taken the time to look at my photos] entity in cyberspace. One just hopes that you back your print source with at least two more CONCURRING sources...but of course that would not helpo you wsince you are rehashing different subjects into your stew of an opinion.
Red Jezza said:
I wonder if you think it might be just a bit more true if you say it in capital letters.
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