Israelis bomb UN observers

[fishfingerer]

The Canadian soldier who was one of the four UN observers killed, sent out emails reporting that Hezbollah was essentially hiding behind UN skirts in the area, with bases in the immediate area of the observation post. He reported that due to the fighting and attacks coming from Hezbollah, it was too dangerous for the UN troops to leave the post.

A commentator in Canada, Gen. Lewis Mackenzie, also has talked about how Hezbollah was using the UN as a shield in the area.

Post a report of Hezbollah casualties in the area then and back up your claim. None of your sickening pathetic excuses and trolling can ever hope to change the fact that the UN compound was attacked for 6 hours by the Israelis prior to being destroyed and 10 phone calls were made to the Israelis demanding that they stop. Then after the observers' bunker was finally destroyed, the rescue teams were fired on. It is a declaration of war against the UN, simple as that. Good DAY sir.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Why would the Israelis do this, pretty obviously on purpose?

Could it be that they don't want any "observers" looking over their shoulders?

 

[Spion]

The Canadian soldier who was one of the four UN observers killed, sent out emails reporting that Hezbollah was essentially hiding behind UN skirts in the area, with bases in the immediate area of the observation post. He reported that due to the fighting and attacks coming from Hezbollah, it was too dangerous for the UN troops to leave the post.

I've found the text of his email and it says nothing to the effect of Hizbullah 'hiding behind UN skirts'.

Are you a fucking liar, or what?

 

[fishfingerer]

Why would the Israelis do this, pretty obviously on purpose?

Could it be that they don't want any "observers" looking over their shoulders?

Yeah, Australia is pulling its observers out. Other countries will be reluctant to commit troops to a UN peacekeeping force which could end up being used as target practice.

 

[fishfingerer]

I've found the text of his email and it says nothing to the effect of Hizbullah 'hiding behind UN skirts'.

Are you a fucking liar, or what?

He heard it from a man in the pub.

 

[TAE]

UNIFIL has been useless. And if Israel doesn't clean up Hezbollah now, they run the risk of having to try and do the same thing after Hezbollah's masters in Iran acquire nuclear weapons.

Declaring that everyone in south lebanon is a military target - that isn't "cleaning up Hezbollah", it's a war crime.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Source, please. I mean, what did he actually say, this soldier? 'Essentially hiding behind UN skirts' is a rather vague sitrep for a military man.

Today's National Post.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=e982a803-762d-4cbd-86ad-1a8ada2299d8

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

"An e-mail written by Major Paeta Hess-von Kruedener, sent on July 19 and posted on the Web site of CTV, recounts numerous incidents of Hezbollah activity.

The UN post, he wrote in the e-mail, afforded a view of the "Hezbollah static positions in and around our patrol Base."

"It appears that the lion's share of fighting between the [Israel Defence Forces] and Hezbollah has taken place in our area," he wrote, noting later it was too dangerous to venture out on patrols.

The Canadian soldier also said of Israeli counter fire to that date: "This has not been deliberate targeting, but has rather been due to tactical necessity."

Those words are evidence that Hezbollah was using the post as a "shield" to fire rockets into Israel, according to retired Major-General Lewis MacKenzie.

He said the phrase "tactical necessity" is military talk that indicates Hezbollah was purposely putting itself near the UN facility.

"What that means is, in plain English, 'We've got Hezbollah fighters running around in our positions, taking our positions here and then using us for shields and then engaging the [IDF],' " he said."


http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=c6f7fc18-ccb6-46a0-a24a-9d55c546bcfe

 

[fishfingerer]

Today's National Post.

No mention of any skirts in Conrad Black's rag. No mention of the 6 hour long Israeli attack, or the 10 phone calls from the UN to the Israelis demanding that they stop, or the Israelis agreeing each time that they would, or the eventual destruction of the UN post by a precision guided missle.

The Israelis murdered an unarmed UN observer from your country.

 

[fishfingerer]

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"What that means is, in plain English, 'We've got Hezbollah fighters running around in our positions, taking our positions here and then using us for shields and then engaging the [IDF],' " he said."

What sort of idiots would "run around" in the midst of a 6 hour barrage? Maj Hess-von Kruedener even mentions that the Hezbollah positions are static, ie. not moving about.

Your justification of the murder of your compatriots is bizarre to say the least.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

What sort of idiots would "run around" in the midst of a 6 hour barrage? Maj Hess-von Kruedener even mentions that the Hezbollah positions are static, ie. not moving about.

Your justification of the murder of your compatriots is bizarre to say the least.

What justification? I'm pointing out that there's evidence, from one of the dead men, that Hezbollah was using the UN position as a shield.

 

[fishfingerer]

What justification? I'm pointing out that there's evidence, from one of the dead men, that Hezbollah was using the UN position as a shield.

Who do you think is responsible for the destruction of the UN post and why.

 

[Jonti]

It looks to me as if Canuck is willing to see Canadians killed, if it benefits Zionism.

The email he uses to justify the killing of his countryman was written on July 18, but the state sanctioned killing of the observers took place on July 25, when the observation post came under sustained fire from Israeli artillery for several hours, before a ground attack warplane used a precision-guided aerial bomb against the base,

The letter the execrable Canuck cites to justify the murder of his fellow Canadian in fact sheds no light on the circumstances of the murders on July 25th. The murders took place seven days afterwards.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Who do you think is responsible for the destruction of the UN post and why.

Israel.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

It looks to me as if Canuck is willing to see Canadians killed, if it benefits Zionism.

The email he uses to justify the killing of his countryman was written on July 18, but the state sanctioned killing of the observers took place on July 25, when the observation post came under sustained fire from Israeli artillery for several hours, before a ground attack warplane used a precision-guided aerial bomb against the base,

The letter the execrable Canuck cites to justify the murder of his fellow Canadian in fact sheds no light on the circumstances of the murders on July 25th. The murders took place seven days afterwards.

The email was written by one of the individuals killed; it's not some piece of yellow journalism written to justify anything.

If the state of affairs described by the Canadian soldier was true July 18th, why would it change during the intervening week?

If Hezbollah were in fact deliberately positioning themselves near UN posts in order to fire on Israel without fear of reprisal, would you agree that they are also at least in part responsible for what happened to the UN soldiers?

 

[Ae589]

And if Israel doesn't clean up Hezbollah now

What do you mean, clean up? Really think about it, what is cleaning up? Killing everyone who picks up a rocket? Killing everyone who supports them? Killing everyone who will be so angry you killed their family, they pick up a rocket?

Stop using trite terms - say what you really mean and you'll see what a terrible idea it is.

 

[Ae589]

If Hezbollah were in fact deliberately positioning themselves near UN posts in order to fire on Israel without fear of reprisal, would you agree that they are also at least in part responsible for what happened to the UN soldiers?

Are you drinking?

If my army wanted to kill some people in another army, but your army is in the way, do you want me to phone you up and ask you to move, or just carve my way through your army?

 

[Spion]

If Hezbollah were in fact deliberately positioning themselves near UN posts in order to fire on Israel without fear of reprisal, would you agree that they are also at least in part responsible for what happened to the UN soldiers?

Hizbullah can 'deliberately position themselves' wherever they fucking like in their own country.

The IDF seem to have thought they had deliberately positioned themselves on the laps of the US observers, given they felt it necessary to drop a guided bomb down the stovepipe.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

What do you mean, clean up? Really think about it, what is cleaning up? Killing everyone who picks up a rocket? Killing everyone who supports them? Killing everyone who will be so angry you killed their family, they pick up a rocket?

Stop using trite terms - say what you really mean and you'll see what a terrible idea it is.

What I mean is that Hezbollah is an organization sworn to destroy Israel, that has been outlawed by the UN presumably because, amongst other things, it's a roadblock to peace in the region and generally a destabilizing influence.

It would be nice if Hezbollah could be talked into just putting down its weapons, but if that isn't to be the case, then they must be run off or killed.

Since the UN declared in Resolution 1559 that Lebanon rid itself of Hezbollah, then the UN must also have contemplated that it might take force of arms to bring an end to Hezbollah.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Are you drinking?

If my army wanted to kill some people in another army, but your army is in the way, do you want me to phone you up and ask you to move, or just carve my way through your army?

In other words, everyone EXCEPT Hezbollah bears responsibility, to your way of thinking.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Hizbullah can 'deliberately position themselves' wherever they fucking like in their own country.
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But there's a war going on, and they positioned themselves right next to the neutral observers. I presume they thought that Israel would never shoot at them there, for fear of negative world opinion.

Is that ok with you?

 

[Spion]

But there's a war going on, and they positioned themselves right next to the neutral observers. I presume they thought that Israel would never shoot at them there, for fear of negative world opinion.

Is that ok with you?

You can presume whatever you like.

Whether they were 'right next' to the OP is beside the point. The OP and the four observers were killed when Israel deliberately targeted it with a guided weapon. They knew who occupied it because they'd been phoned from there and asked to desist. Is that OK with you?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

You can presume whatever you like.

Whether they were 'right next' to the OP is beside the point. The OP and the four observers were killed when Israel deliberately targeted it with a guided weapon. They knew who occupied it because they'd been phoned from there and asked to desist. Is that OK with you?

Why did hezbollah consider it alright to set up shop in the immediate vicinity of the neutral unarmed observers?

 

[sleaterkinney]

Why did hezbollah consider it alright to set up shop in the immediate vicinity of the neutral unarmed observers?

Were they in the bunker with them when Israel sent in that bunker busting bomb?

 

[TAE]

Why did hezbollah consider it alright to set up shop in the immediate vicinity of the neutral unarmed observers?

It does not say anywhere that they did.

 

[sleaterkinney]

No mention of any skirts in Conrad Black's rag. No mention of the 6 hour long Israeli attack, or the 10 phone calls from the UN to the Israelis demanding that they stop, or the Israelis agreeing each time that they would, or the eventual destruction of the UN post by a precision guided missle.

The Israelis murdered an unarmed UN observer from your country.

Actually, on past behaviour from Conrad Black and his wife, I'd dismiss it as a lie from the off.

 

[Spion]

Why did hezbollah consider it alright to set up shop in the immediate vicinity of the neutral unarmed observers?

What do you mean by immediate vicinity? How far were they from the UN post? What is the layout of Khiam and its topography? You don't know. I don't know.

The UN OP is in or near to a village called Khiam that also houses a French mandate era fort which is used by Hizb. Hizbullah have every right to go where they like, although having said that it's plain that the UN observers were in their building and Hizb weren't. Why did the Israelis target the UN OP with a guided weapon after recieving 10 or more phone calls?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

What do you mean by immediate vicinity? How far were they from the UN post? What is the layout of Khiam and its topography? You don't know. I don't know.

The UN OP is in or near to a village called Khiam that also houses a French mandate era fort which is used by Hizb. Hizbullah have every right to go where they like, although having said that it's plain that the UN observers were in their building and Hizb weren't. Why did the Israelis target the UN OP with a guided weapon after recieving 10 or more phone calls?

The dead canadian soldier is the one who said they were in the vicinity. You'll have to ask him.

 

[moono]

He's asking you. It's you that's attempting to turn murder into a victory for Zionism so you shouldn't have any trouble inventing the dead Canadian's response.