ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
goldenecitrone said:
Anti-Semitism, in common usage, means Judaeophobia. Disliking Israelis (not all of whom are Jews), therefore, is not "anti-Semitism"
"Israelis are rude" - myth or reality?
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Anti-Semitism, in common usage, means Judaeophobia. Disliking Israelis (not all of whom are Jews), therefore, is not "anti-Semitism"
ViolentPanda said:
Calling all Israelis cunts could be interpretted by some to be anti-semitic because the being Israeli is associated with being Jewish. If someone referred to all Africans being cunts that could be interpretted as being racist towards blacks, even though not all Africans are black.
Anti-semitic may not be semantically correct but is in common useage and I cannot see a problem with using the term.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Indeed it could. By people who have problems with understanding basic language, usually.warren said:
Words have closely-defined meanings to prevent people from "interpreting". In my book that makes the "interpreters" a bit suspect; "what's their angle" is the question that occurs to me.
Only in the same way that being Italian is "interpreted" as associated with being a Catholic.
Indeed, but if someone said to me that all Africans were cunts, I'd hardly be likely to give any credence to them, because they'd obviously be nuts.
And you say this apropos of...?
The groups of young Israelis straight out of the army that you find backpacking around Asia can definitely be a pain in the arse - although I wouldn´t much fancy the company of groups of young Americans or British who´d just finished a tour of duty in Iraq, either.
The older ones are usually alright - I´ve met plenty of sound Israelis, several of whom are good friends, and all the Israelis I´ve ever dealt with through work have been perfectly polite.
The older ones are usually alright - I´ve met plenty of sound Israelis, several of whom are good friends, and all the Israelis I´ve ever dealt with through work have been perfectly polite.
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
I'd always heard about Israeli tourists and was interested when I first went on holiday proper to see if I could figure out who they were. I didn't seem to bump into any rude people except a load of pissed up Finns who were upset about the Grand Prix results. Obviously saw the Germans nicking all the sunbeds but no Israelis.
It was only after I remembered they're not allowed into Malaysia that it dawned on me why I hadn't bumped into any
It was only after I remembered they're not allowed into Malaysia that it dawned on me why I hadn't bumped into any
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
This seems to confirm their reputation as well
http://www.orchiddesigns.net/ArticlesJewish/Oped_Israeli_backpackers.html
http://www.orchiddesigns.net/ArticlesJewish/Oped_Israeli_backpackers.html
Minnie_the_Minx said:
Christ - memory just came back to me. Last time I was in Laos I was on the same boat (presumably the slow one up the mekong to luang prabang)... an israeli guy kept sitting on the side of the boat despite the water being kinda choppy. Being macho basically. The driver kept yelling back to get off and even the very polite and shy beer selling woman asked him a coupla times. He completely ignored them. Didnt tell him to fuck off or anything, just ignored him from behind his sunglasses continuing his steven segal act.
I was sat with the monks at the front of the boat - I asked the one next to me why they were so worried (it wasn't THAT rough after all) - he explained to me that the locals believe if you disrespect the Mekong 'bad things can happen - its an evil river'. Apparently an Israeli had done exactly the same thing a few weeks earlier and had fallen off and almost drowned after a freak wave hit the boat. He actually smiled as he told me that bit
and he was a fuckin MONK!We survived the journey fwiw (the 'slow' boat does exactly what it says on the tin
gabi said:
Calling all Israelis cunts is a bigotted statement, its xenophobia at best. At worst especially in current times where the views of the Celeb BB house contestants against the Indian Actress where they made fun at her being Indian was viewed as racist it could also be viewed as that.
warren said:
Dont have a TV (i was born with a brain and all), and ive noted above that its a general statement about israelis based on my fairly extensive contact with them on the road.. (ive been travelling since i was 16, im 28 now)..
Its overwhelmingly true, at least on the backpackin trail. I've no place chattin about it on the global political level tho. Altho of course ive my opinions there, this aint the thread for it tho.
ISRAELI BACKPACKERS ARE CUNTS THOUGH!!!
u ask anyone.. i dare ya...Sorry, but Gabi's right. They are.
Louloubelle
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bingiman said:
I know a lovely Israeli guy who went to prison rather than join the army
2 others I've met were young women who have been (according to my moral code) not very nice people
No hesitation in seducing men who are married / in relationships. No hesitation in seducing single men who they could marry so not to have to go back to Israel, even if it meant pretending they loved him when they didn't and then starting affairs immediately their married life had started.
When devastated hubby finds out truth it's his fault for being a fool
However I don't think 3 people is a good sample for assessing the character of a large group of people.
To be fair
Louloubelle
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warren said:
I can see your point but I've been told by several Jewish friends to "never do business with an Israeli because they will rip you off"
Could have been sour milk though, just because they'd been shafted by any Israeli they'd tried to do business with doesn't mean that all Israelis are bad news.
Business is tough whoever and wherever you are.
My dad used to be in property management in the 80s.
He relayed some of his experiences of Israelis looking to rent proprties in N/London. Not very pleasant.
There was this one family who not only aggressively haggled over price (which in itself is not that much of a big deal) but expressed deep consternation over the fact that the previous tenant was a female nurse.
They felt the former presence of a western woman at the property made the place "unclean" and they weren't too sure how they felt about it.
That's just one of the stories I heard. Rudeness, and a pre-occupation with sexual perversion and cleanliness.
He relayed some of his experiences of Israelis looking to rent proprties in N/London. Not very pleasant.
There was this one family who not only aggressively haggled over price (which in itself is not that much of a big deal) but expressed deep consternation over the fact that the previous tenant was a female nurse.
They felt the former presence of a western woman at the property made the place "unclean" and they weren't too sure how they felt about it.
That's just one of the stories I heard. Rudeness, and a pre-occupation with sexual perversion and cleanliness.
Idaho
continuity character
If they were ultra-orthadox then it may have been a religious sentiment. All sorts of kitchen and menstruation laws etc.Pete the Greek said:
Israelis and orthodox Jews generally tend to be fairly insular and inward looking as a culture. They can come across as very rude, or just from another planet.
A friend of mine used to live on Stamford Hill. He was sat in his flat (in a block full of frummers) on a saturday afternoon when he got a knock on his door. One of his neighbours beckoned him to his flat where there were 5 others huddled round a fridge in a state of anxiety. The light was on in the fridge, and by opening the door, they were operating a light. Without really asking him or saying much they sort of muttered about how they wanted the light taken out. He got a screwdriver and took the bulb out and went back to his flat somewhat bemused.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
To be hoenst, Londoners are about as bad with their recently-found habit of sitting on the aisle-seats on buses and trains when the window seat is empty - thus making it very difficult for anyone to get to the vacant seat next to them. Or the habit of placing a bag on the vacant seat next to them (I once got on a bus where EVERY vacant seat had a sodding bag on it).gabi said:
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gabi said:BACKPACKERS ARE CUNTS THOUGH!!!
tis true
Louloubelle
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jæd said:Yep...? I haven't found any that had a thing for cleanliness. Just the opposite. Unhygienic fuckers...!
This was certainly the case with one of the Israeli women I used to know. Her toilet would have given any on "how clean is your house?" a run for their money.
I wondered if they were trying to recreate the true Glastonbury experience in their bathroom.
She was a neighbor and if I ever wanted to use the loo at her place I'd go home and come back
*shudders at the memory*
Thing is though, I can't condemn a whole lot of people on just a few bad experiences.
Seems to me it's a bit like the thing with Nigerians. So many people have said to me "never do business with a Nigerian", ebay community boards are full of are full of tales of Nigerian scammers and 419 scams, but the truth is that one of my best mates is Nigerian and is one of the most decent, honest and genuinely good people I know.
The Israeli young men I know who went to prison for refusing to fight in the army, (a friend's brother) is a really lovely, good and decent person.
If the stereotypes are true then we must also fess up to being a nation of celebrity obsessed yobs who consume masses of drugs and junk food.
oztpo4 said:
How's it "stereotyped". If 100% of people from a certain country I've met have been rude, dirty fuckers then I fail to see how this is so. I'm waiting for the next Isreali to be a bastion (or at least familar with) hygiene and manners. And if I find this person my view will be "Most Isrealis are rude, dirty fuckers, but not all".
oztpo4 said:
Um... You know the different between "Isreali" and "Jew"...?
oztpo4 said:
Disagree
People are recounting their own personal experiences...they can hardly be held culpable if their opinions (based on experience) all happen to dovetail, can they?
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
correct.oztpo4 said:
many of those posters who expressed their anecdotal xenophobia in this thread, extend that 'view' to 'arabs' (palestinians, jordanians, egyptians, syrians, etc), making this thread more revealing of the viewer, than the viewed
Personally I don't know any palestinians, jordanians or egyptians so I can't comment on them. I do know a few syrians, and they seem to be quite nice people. Just Israelis I can't stand...!
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
jæd said:
It's anti-semitic to despise Jews, but alright to hate dirty, rude Israelis.
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