"Israelis are rude" - myth or reality?

[goldenecitrone]

The only Israelis I've met where at the Red Sea near Dahab. They'd been smoking with the Bedhouin for the last week so were all pretty chilled to say the least. We let them come back to town in our hired pick-up. I was with a Californian bloke and two American women. The Israelis were all soldiers and gave me some of their spliff. The American was a bit worried, but I was laughing and feeling pretty good with the Israelis. Then we came up to the crossing back into town with all the young Egyptian soldiers stood around with their guns. I did feel slightly paranoid at that point, but they just waved us through and everything was fine. Anyone who shares their joint is cool by me.

 

[J77]

All Isreali academics I've met have been very loud and hard to change the opinion of -- whether this is the same as "rude", I guess that's a personal interpretation.

(I can see an English person finding them overbearing/overopinionated, but having lived with the Dutch, I'm more used to loud opinions these days )

 

[Voley]

Israelis have an appalling reputation in India.

Many guesthouse owners have a 'No Israelis' policy, either just saying 'we're full' when they ask to stay or even having signs up telling them they're not welcome. The general consensus of opinion is that one or two together probably won't give you much trouble, but a group of them will be bad news.

I've seen pretty atrocious behaviour from groups of Israelis in Manali and Goa - shouting at locals for trivial reasons, aggressively haggling right down to the last rupee, playing trance all night and generally acting like they own the place. Last Winter, Arambol in Goa was largely Israeli-free (possibly due to terrorism fears or something - no-one seemed to be able to work out why) and it was certainly more chilled-out as a result.

Having said all of that, I've also met a few perfectly sound Israelis who seem painfully embarrassed by the whole thing.

If I'd been to Ibiza or Faliraki, I could probably same about the British.

 

[gabi]

If I'd been to Ibiza or Faliraki, I could probably same about the British.

Nope, don't think so - poms have fun on holiday yeh, but generally in a much more humourous way. Especially the backpackers..

I had similar experiences of israelis in india - largely why i didnt enjoy my time there i think. they tend to take over certain areas (been to gokarna?) and are just generally assholes when they do.

they're usually fit though, the boys and the girls, I will give em that

 

[Belushi]

Nope, don't think so - poms have fun on holiday yeh, but generally in a much more humourous way. Especially the backpackers..

Try visiting somewhere like Falaraki

 

[Voley]

(been to gokarna?)

Yeah, I didn't stop long.

It's true what people say about them all sticking together. In Arambol the right side of the beach is where all the Israelis stay ('The West Bank'. Arf. ) and, consequently, a lot of the non-Israeli long-termers give it a wide berth.

It's just got a different atmosphere to the rest of the beach.

 

[Peet]

I've had a few run ins with Israelis who were breathtakingly arrogant but I suspect thats what you get after a century of being pushed around by transnationals and forced to make concessions in response to a war you didn't start.

 

[likesfish]

they all just done national service then go off backpacking so your just meeting ex squaddies on the piss tend not to be the most empathic of types

 

[Structaural]

I've an Israeli friend over here (goes out with a friend of my gf's) - he's well sound, humble fella. But then he got out of National Service by feigning madness, so he's untainted by the military somewhat.

 

[girasol]

The English are known as 'cold, distant', etc, in other cultures...

Which we all know is not exactly true.

I never heard anything about Israelis being rude, but I suspect they are perceived as such by some people due to cultural differences, different body language. But underneath it all, personality types are very similar in any nationality. The joker, the kind person, the wanker, the sadist, the carer, and so on...

National stereotypes are more often than not wrong, and caused due to lack of familiarity with a certain type of behaviour. Once you get used to it, you realise that people are pretty much the same, some are shitheads, others aren't, regardless of their nationality.

 

[Voley]

National stereotypes are more often than not wrong, and caused due to lack of familiarity with a certain type of behaviour.

True, but what if those types of behaviour include throwing a hissy fit at a local just because a cup of tea hasn't arrived yet? (Something I saw in Manali).

How about adjusting your behaviour because you're no longer at home? Showing a bit of respect for the country you're in?

 

[girasol]

True, but what if those types of behaviour include throwing a hissy fit at a local just because a cup of tea hasn't arrived yet? (Something I saw in Manali).

How about adjusting your behaviour because you're no longer at home? Showing a bit of respect for the country you're in?

Are you telling me the Israelis are the only people who throw a hissy fit over a cup of tea?

you got to be kidding me!

This thread is really odd, I tell you. People from all sorts of nationalities behave like twats while on holiday.

 

[jonH]

israelis are alright, you'd better look out for drones pete the greek

 

[Voley]

Are you telling me the Israelis are the only people who throw a hissy fit over a cup of tea?

you got to be kidding me!

No. But I've seen Israelis losing their rag over trivial incidents more than any other group.

Maybe this is cool in their culture - they can be a pretty demonstrative group - but major displays of great emotion are frowned upon in India unless you've got a genuine grievance.

The locals tend to view Israelis with disdain, at best, in India.

 

[girasol]

well, you always get rivalry between nations/groups of people wherever you go...

English vs. French
Americans vs. English
Argentinians vs. Brazilians
Irish vs. English
Scottish vs. English
South London vs. North London
Londoners vs. tourists

and so on...

just because it happens everywhere it doesn't mean it's based on anything sensible, does it, it's mostly based on idiocy or misinterpretation or just fear of the unknown, sometimes it's to do with football ...

Let's face it, the English are also hated for their very rude behaviour in a lot of places they go to by the locals.

 

[gabi]

well, you always get rivalry between nations/groups of people wherever you go...

English vs. French
Americans vs. English
Argentinians vs. Brazilians
Irish vs. English
Scottish vs. English
South London vs. North London
Londoners vs. tourists

Yeh but the point is that there seems to be a global consensus that israelis are cunts (generally)..

 

[goldenecitrone]

Yeh but the point is that there seems to be a global consensus that israelis are cunts (generally)..

and that's why it's got a name. Anti-semitism.

 

[theCIA]

True, but what if those types of behaviour include throwing a hissy fit at a local just because a cup of tea hasn't arrived yet? (Something I saw in Manali).

How about adjusting your behaviour because you're no longer at home? Showing a bit of respect for the country you're in?

HAHAHA!! loads of tourists in the town i grew up in, brits moan about air conditioning (not cold enough), americans moan about service, germans moan about food. japs are the coolest customers, they just grin and bear it.

 

[gabi]

and that's why it's got a name. Anti-semitism.

Eh? i thought anti-semitism was aimed at jews?

 

[goldenecitrone]

Eh? i thought anti-semitism was aimed at jews?

Oh, I see. You meant that the whole world thinks Arab-Israelis are cunts, too. Alles Klar.

 

[Belushi]

The English are known as 'cold, distant', etc, in other cultures...

Which we all know is not exactly true.

I never heard anything about Israelis being rude, but I suspect they are perceived as such by some people due to cultural differences, different body language. But underneath it all, personality types are very similar in any nationality. The joker, the kind person, the wanker, the sadist, the carer, and so on...

National stereotypes are more often than not wrong, and caused due to lack of familiarity with a certain type of behaviour. Once you get used to it, you realise that people are pretty much the same, some are shitheads, others aren't, regardless of their nationality.

Spot on.

 

[gabi]

Oh, I see. You meant that the whole world thinks Arab-Israelis are cunts, too. Alles Klar.

Can I refer you to a previous post of mine further up the thread?

I think its important to differentiate between 'jewish' and 'israeli' here..

If you're trying to imply that im a bigot Im afraid u're way off the mark.

I dont think religion has anything to do with them being cunts. And yes I would expect an Arab-Israeli whos just served in the army and has then hit the road with a backpack to be a cunt.

 

[Voley]

Whether there are such things as national characteristics or whatever is an interesting debate.

Lots of people say that Thai people are friendly, for example, and no-one seems to have a problem with this. But it's a stereotype nonetheless.

It's when the characteristic's a negative one that people tend to get hot under the collar.

 

[girasol]

when stereotypes are negative and you hear someone saying that a whole nation is made up of 'cunts' we're talking about xenophobia.

Xenophobia is as bad/damaging as racism.

 

[Brainaddict]

The English are known as 'cold, distant', etc, in other cultures...

Which we all know is not exactly true.

I never heard anything about Israelis being rude, but I suspect they are perceived as such by some people due to cultural differences, different body language. But underneath it all, personality types are very similar in any nationality. The joker, the kind person, the wanker, the sadist, the carer, and so on...

National stereotypes are more often than not wrong, and caused due to lack of familiarity with a certain type of behaviour. Once you get used to it, you realise that people are pretty much the same, some are shitheads, others aren't, regardless of their nationality.

Here here

 

[Voley]

Do you think there are such things as national characteristics, Iemanja?

Or are all humans basically the same?

 

[jæd]

when stereotypes are negative and you hear someone saying that a whole nation is made up of 'cunts' we're talking about xenophobia.

Its not "xenophobia" its just stating something I've noticed. So far all the Isrealis I've met have been rude. Hopefully I'll meet some that aren't but people's experiences here don't make me too helpful...

 

[warren]

Yes, Israelis are generally rude. Tel Aviv natives are generally seen as the worst. Its a culture of who shouts the loudest.

 

[girasol]

Groups of people who inhabit an area and live in close proximity do share certain traits, of course, starting with language, mannerisms, accents and so on.

But because of that some people are under the impression that a whole nation can be labelled. Those labels are usually given by visitors, people who are not familiar with a certain culture, and are based on their own culture and their own perceptions.

Do you really think the French label themselves as 'aloof'? That label cames from what is perceived as aloof in a different culture. Does that make sense?

Parisians are perceived as rude too, by the way...

 

[Voley]

Does that make sense?

Yup.