Israeli wounded in mattress factory.

[moono]

You only need to read your own threads to see this is true so again I call you a racist.

This is the trouble, Fred. You keep calling me a racist without offering any evidence. If you keep it up I'm going to start calling you a chiropodist.

 

[big footed fred]

This is the trouble, Fred. You keep calling me a racist without offering any evidence. If you keep it up I'm going to start calling you a chiropodist.

Once again you have failed to answer the charge.
I take a refusal to answer as proof that you can't bring yourself to say it.

I say again you are just as racist as any twat member of the BNP.

 

[moono]

There is no charge to answer. Due process demands innocence until proven otherwise. Prove away, dumbo, or stfu.
I maintain you are a lying accuser.

 

[big footed fred]

you and all racists are a waste of space
If you think i'm lying report my posts but I know you can't do that without someone examining your own racist rantings.

* retires from thread as there is nothing further worth bothering with *

 

[moono]

Report posts ? Because of you ? You self-opinionated prick.

Edit; self-opinionated lying prick.

 

[spring-peeper]

In fact, if enough Native Americans can band together into a cohesive unit and lay claim to the land, I feel that they should be given their fair share...even above and beyond so called "Reservation" and all the fringe benefits they entail.

I'm not too sure what you mean by that.

Are you talking about the Native Americans getting together and asking for more land than they already have? If so, they already have land and the amount will not be increased.

Also, what fringe benefits would they want to have?

 

[rachamim18]

Nonsense ...

Moono: A non-binding UN Resolution means what? The UN whose lackeys regularly impregnate 15 year old Eritreans, extort Hatians, let Israelis be kidnapped and killed, Bosnians be raped and murdered, and a litany of other fun stuff passes a non-binding Resolution and what? Please enlighten us.

As for your claim that the peopleliving there had been there since before there were Jews, sorry, dna does not back you up. Science is a big stick. Also, you should be aware that Arabs tehmself offer [almost all anyway] wholesale rejection of the premiseof "Palestinian as Canaanite" if that is what you usual vague witticism is supposed to point towards.

ZAMB: Can I see it happening? Yes, and wish it would.

As for the fringe benefitsof the Reservation system, hmmm...Let's start with Indian Casinos, move on to tax free tobacco sales,and then finish up with petroleum exploration revenues and then we can broach freedom from cross border controls between Canada and the US and then onto freedom from fish and game quotas...I can go on and on but you know, in the end it is tier just reward for what the Europeans did to them.

BigFootedFred: If Jews lived there and left 4000 years ago maybe it would be pointless to talk of historical claims but that isnot thet case. When Arabs stepped into history 2100 years ago IN ARABIA, the Jews already had 1900 years of continuous existence there. They have have continuously been there since. they never once renounced thier claim.

Arabs on the other hand, after stepping onto the historical stae 2100 years ago, still did not become a presence on the land until 1300 years ago. that lasted 20 odd years. They did not settle the land. They did not have villages, cities, or an independant government. It merely existed as a backwater to the Syrian province of the caliphate.

After the 20 odd years, it passed into other hands. For the most pasrt, Arabs did not begin settling there until the late 18th Century CE/AD. Still, almost all people now calling themselves "Palestinians" have familes that migrated there within the last 150 years!!! Arafat and Said? Egyptians!!!! Hussinei? Syrians and Arabians!!!

They had no love of the land, no attachment beyond their little sharecropping plots until the first half of the 20th Century CE/AD! It was not until 1948that they even had a true national identity!!!


Jews do NOT hate Muslims. Israel is not a religious state anyway.

Muslims DO have a belief called the "waqf." Just as both Romans and Persians believed, an area once conquered by Muslims is forever Muslim land. In addition, to gain supremacy AND to attract converts, early Muslims established Jerusalem as Islam's third holiest city. Thereare alot of Arabs who DO conbsider it a religious conflict. There are also a good number of Muslims who at the very least harbor a deep anomosity about Jews if not outright hatred. It is even a commoin belief that a Jew posioned Muhammed.

Still, in the end, it is a geopolitical struggle.

 

[rachamim18]

More wit, less twit...

Moono: That one where you get mad at BigFootedFred and ask him to stop associating you with violence is too precious!!! Just the support of its perpertrators then?

You get angry for him calling you racist yet you you have spent a good deal of energy proclaming to anyone that will listen that all Zionists are murdering scumbags. Careful, you might trip yourself up.

SpringPeeper: Please see my post to ZAMB above. Thanks.

 

[moono]

Zionist extremists, rachamim, Zionist extremists. Tangentlama has put a good case for moderate Zionism and I've suggested that the moderates get a grip.
On the other hand, you're only good at putting the case for Zionist estate agents and shyster lawyers.

 

[rachamim18]

Precious...

Moono: If you gave any racist enough rope, they will hang themselves. First you let off with the famous "jewboy" epithet in describing a 40 something man...and now have the audacity [or is it simply ignorance] to use the equally horrid "SHYSTER LAWYER" in describing Zionists. Moono, I am not one of these whiners that cry to mods but you should watch yourself because just maybe the mods will catch on and make an example of you. I mean they seem to do alright in banning supporters of Israel so who knows? Maybe a proud racist such as yourself might catch themselves in the crosshairs?

 

[moono]

I suggest that anyone accusing anybody of racism has to demonstrate beyond doubt that they have a case. Otherwise they should be shown the door. Starting with you.
You'll be squirming over my rebuttals in the other thread by now and wondering how to save face. Good.

 

[big footed fred]

I suggest that anyone accusing anybody of racism has to demonstrate beyond doubt that they have a case. Otherwise they should be shown the door. Starting with you.
You'll be squirming over my rebuttals in the other thread by now and wondering how to save face. Good.

Joke.
the only one squirming round here is you.
Your continued refusal to deny the muderers is no different to the bnp's lies in court.

 

[angry bob]

moono

I've been following a few of these threads. Generally I dont get involved cause I dont know a lot about the whole situation. What can I say ... I'm a product of the american media

My own views tend to side with the Palestinians whom I feel are subjected to horrific attacks from the Israeli army.

That said, I have seen you imply that the targeting of Israelis by Palestinian terrorists/freedom fighters, for no other reason than they are Jewish, is justified. IMO this is an extremely racist attitude (not to menttion an attitude that serves only to prolong bloodshed on both sides

You have repeatedly failed to clarify your position, if it is to the contrary.

In your defense you have, it seems, used the "some of my best friends ..." argument and made use of the words Jewboy and Shyster. Which is frankly no defense at all.

I dont know you moono but you are not making a good impression.

 

[moono]

OK bob, if you don't want to be on my list of PC Plonkers, let's see you identify that which you claim. No wriggling.

Bob;

That said, I have seen you imply that the targeting of Israelis by Palestinian terrorists/freedom fighters, for no other reason than they are Jewish

Show me. If you fail, I want your apology and a retraction. Five hundred accusations of racism won't make me racist, because I'm not. I'm not even anti-Jewish. Nobody will be able to identify an anti-Jewish statement by me because there aren't any.

Like I suggested above, if you make these charges and can't prove them you ought to be shown the door. Otherwise the process of 'Zionisation' will continue along with the stifling of free speech.

Come on Bob, post it up .
You won't be able to post it up because it doesn't exist. A gentleman would apologise and retract straight away and not let the accusation hang.

It seems to me that a half-dozen Zionist sympathisers are off-piste because they can't put an argument together. Out comes the tar-brush. Foul.

 

[angry bob]

OK bob, if you don't want to be on my list of PC Plonkers, let's see you identify that which you claim. No wriggling.

You're the prick that thinks that starving Palestine and dropping 2000 artillery rounds on it doesn't warrant a response.

Does this not imply justification of the response?

Resistance nowmeans blowing up disco dancing teens and infants on a seaside Promendade...

I'm afraid it does, rachamim. Inhuman brutality will elicit an inhuman response.

So here you equate resistance with the inhamanity that is strapping a bomb to someone and targetting children.

Oh right, you're one of these fair-minded observers that think the Palestinians are required to sit back and absorb 2,000 artillery shells in April alone are you ? That's terrorism. The Israelis have killed 26 Palestinians this month. You haven't even mentioned one of them.

Hamas, the PA, International organisations have all been asking Israel to cease the starvation and killing of Palestinians. They have taken no notice. Then mugs like you pop up as if this suicide bombing was completely unprovoked.

Maybe I'm misreading but this certainly looks like justification for suicide bombing.

And I dont need to post your jewboy and shyster comments do I? Your justifucation was pretty weak btw ... kinda like justifying the N word on the basis of modern hip hop.

Anyhow ... perhaps I have misrepresented you ... like I said your posts merely implied a certain impression.

Mind you ... you are quick enough to shout Islamaphobe when it suits you.

 

[cemertyone]

Maybe I'm misreading but this certainly looks like justification for suicide bombing.
QUOTE]

Suicide bombing is justified if its the only means possible to resist the military occupation of the IDF..
Do you agree with the israeli airforce droping a one ton bomb on an apartment block full of children in the middle of the night as they attempt one of their "targetted assination" operations????
which is more morally reprehensible to you angry bob???

 

[moono]

bob ( referring to moono);

I have seen you imply that the targeting of Israelis by Palestinian terrorists/freedom fighters, for no other reason than they are Jewish

OK bob, do the decent thing ; apologize and retract. You've posted this tripe , been challenged , and failed to justify it. The bollox you have posted above doesn't even come close to justifying your accusation. It's grossly unfair that anybody should have to repeatedly defend themselves against this form of snivelling shit. Foul.


Edit ; And what's this 'shyster' bollox ? Are you another PC looney or what ?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=shyster

You are, you're a bloody PC Plonker. You'll be wanting to ban 'Jewish Holiday' next. Head up arse, I think.

 

[angry bob]

Maybe I'm misreading but this certainly looks like justification for suicide bombing.
QUOTE]

Suicide bombing is justified if its the only means possible to resist the military occupation of the IDF..
Do you agree with the israeli airforce droping a one ton bomb on an apartment block full of children in the middle of the night as they attempt one of their "targetted assination" operations????
which is more morally reprehensible to you angry bob???

So are you saying it is justified or not?

IMO they are both morally reprehensible. Like I said, I tend to think the israeli actions are worse, but that doesnt make killing israeli civilians justified.

 

[angry bob]

bob ( referring to moono);


OK bob, do the decent thing ; apologize and retract. You've posted this tripe , been challenged , and failed to justify it. The bollox you have posted above doesn't even come close to justifying your accusation. It's grossly unfair that anybody should have to repeatedly defend themselves against this form of snivelling shit. Foul.

So you're not going to attempt to explain what you meant by your posts then?

You have clearly (and rightly) justified palestinian resistance and then clearly stated that resistance amounts to inhuman brutality.

Therefore you are justifying inhuman brutality are you not?

I'll apologise when and if you explain yourself and tell me why my reasoning is wrong.

I have nothing against you ... I have no reason to accuse you of anything other than on the basis of what you have written.

Edit ; And what's this 'shyster' bollox ? Are you another PC looney or what ?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=shyster

Your link aside, when the word shyster is used in conjunction with jews it is a racial slur. And Jewboy is equally unacceptable. Your use of the terms on a thread where you (rightly or wrongly) are being accused of anti-semitism is laughable.

You are, you're a bloody PC Plonker. You'll be wanting to ban 'Jewish Holiday' next. Head up arse, I think.

Uh huh. What's the expression I've seen on here ... oh yes ... political correctness gone mad

 

[Fez909]

This has brought up an interesting point. While I don't agree with the killing of innocents, what options do the Palestinians have? Terrorism is the last resort of a desperate people. If the suicide bombings stopped tomorrow, forever, would the Israeli army still kill Palenstinians? Probably.

So what should they do?

They're under occupation by an oppresive regime, and have no army to save them. Their land was stolen, and they have no means to get it back. I can see the reasoning behind it: If we can't live there, then you won't enjoy living there.

The world is only mildly concerned with the situation at present because it doesn't look good to support such a regime, as many do. If the Pal people stopped resisting, Israel wouldn't back down or give back land, and even less notice would be taken of the region than is at present.

So it's a choice between a shit sandwich or extreme brutality at the agressor. What else could be done?

 

[astronaut]

So what should they do?

Well, they could have sought peaceful reconciliation with Israelis, admittedly a slow process, but one that would undoubtedly have resulted, eventually, in a single state.

Violence has done only one thing for the Palestinians -- it has alienated the vast majority of Israelis beyond any hope of reconciliation, even those on the left.

 

[angry bob]

This has brought up an interesting point. While I don't agree with the killing of innocents, what options do the Palestinians have? Terrorism is the last resort of a desperate people. If the suicide bombings stopped tomorrow, forever, would the Israeli army still kill Palenstinians? Probably.

Who can say?

It seems that Israeli atrocities have, in the past, increased due to Palestinian atrocities and vice versa.

I dont see that the killing of innocents on either side ever has a beneficial effect.

 

[moono]

OK, bob, but you must appreciate that your failure to grasp my use of language is your failing, not mine. The jorks here who have steamed in and called me 'racist' have done so without first asking for an explanation of something which they may have misunderstood.

However, with regard to my reply to Rachamim, I expressed regret that Palestinians should feel that suicide bombing was necessary ( I said 'I'm afraid it does' ) and I acknowledged that suicide bombing was an inhuman and brutal response to Israeli inhuman brutality. Just where is your complaint ?

Also, you can't just say 'Your link aside' when I've posted concrete evidence that the term 'shyster' is not generally considered to specifically apply to Jewish lawyers. The link is the evidence. You can't just ignore the fucking link because it shoots down your argument.

No bob, I feel you owe an apology and a retraction. I'm not racist and nobody here has any right to call me so. There is absolutely no evidence that I'm racist because I'm not. Your accusation stinks.

 

[astronaut]

I'm not racist and nobody here has any right to call me so.

If I called a black person a "nigger," would I be understood as a racist? Since I am white, the answer would be yes (correctly).

"Jewboy" is only ever used as a racist term. Anyone using it should be considered racist, except a Jew using it ironically, like blacks referring to themselves as "nigger," and even then "jewboy" is not commonly used.

 

[angry bob]

OK, bob, but you must appreciate that your failure to grasp my use of language is your failing, not mine. The jorks here who have steamed in and called me 'racist' have done so without first asking for an explanation of something which they may have misunderstood.

However, with regard to my reply to Rachamim, I expressed regret that Palestinians should feel that suicide bombing was necessary ( I said 'I'm afraid it does' ) and I acknowledged that suicide bombing was an inhuman and brutal response to Israeli inhuman brutality. Just where is your complaint ?

My failure to grasp your use of language is perhaps due to the ambiguity of the language used rather than my inability to understand.

But ok. I'm preperared to accept that that is what you meant and that the fault is mine for not realising.

However, you have justified suicide bombing and have repeatedly failed to condemn the targetting of israelis simply because they are israelis. Despite being asked to do so several times. This in itself does not imply racism but it does paint a certain impression.

Also, you can't just say 'Your link aside' when I've posted concrete evidence that the term 'shyster' is not generally considered to specifically apply to Jewish lawyers. The link is the evidence. You can't just ignore the fucking link because it shoots down your argument.

I'm telling you that shyster, when used in conjunction with Jewish people is a racist term. Have you honestly never come across it thus? Perhaps its more common here than in the UK.

Dictionary.com is hardly the world standard on such things is it?


Jewboy however is, beyond any doubt, racist.

Jew Boy
(UK, Southern & Southwest U.S.) contemptuous term for Jewish males

You might want to compare this definition to the one given for n****r by your own link.

Use of this term alone is sufficent to provoke accusations of racism.

No bob, I feel you owe an apology and a retraction. I'm not racist and nobody here has any right to call me so. There is absolutely no evidence that I'm racist because I'm not. Your accusation stinks.

So all in all I am not going to apologise. Especially since I have at no point actually called you a racist. I merely said that your posts implied a certain position ... which they do ... and I am not the only one to see it.

 

[angry bob]

Well I'll be ... the sister site to your link reference.com has a list of ethnic slurs, and guess what appears ...

Shyster : (UK Commonwealth & U.S.) a Jew, but more frequently used in reference to lawyers, regardless of their ethnic origin. Implies questionable ethics and general untrustworthiness. May be derived from "shylock" (above), may be derived from the combination shy + –ster, but more likely from the German and Yiddish word scheissterSickle Cell


Now I'll agree that use of the term in reference to a non-jew is just fine, but when used in reference to jews is unacceptable.

 

[astronaut]

Now I'll agree that use of the term in reference to a non-jew is just fine

I disagree. Using this term against a non-Jew is just as unacceptable - it essentially means a thieving Jew - calling a non-Jew a thieving can only be understood as applying an undesireable characteristic to them.

 

[angry bob]

I disagree. Using this term against a non-Jew is just as unacceptable - it essentially means a thieving Jew - calling a non-Jew a thieving can only be understood as applying an undesireable characteristic to them.

Well I guess opinion is divided on what the word means.It seems that one common usage is as you say, but it is all used wrt theiving lawyers for example (see moono's link)

 

[angry bob]

No bob, I feel you owe an apology and a retraction. I'm not racist and nobody here has any right to call me so. There is absolutely no evidence that I'm racist because I'm not. Your accusation stinks.

You've demanded apologies several time for what you feel is an unwarranted slur.

Yet you have described people as islamophobes with far less evidence.

live by the sword etc ...

 

[frogwoman]

i say shyster, i know it was originally applied to jews and it does kind of have that connotation but to me it doesnt really mean anything else apart from a scummy lawyer/ a loan shark/ a charlatan ... i dont find it offensive and often use it to describe that kind of person. and i am jewish

but if its offensive over there then i think if people know its rude they should be sensitive, there are lots of things that are rude here that arent there and vice versa and people should try and respect it where possible ...

divided by a common language eh?