Israeli wounded in mattress factory.

[GarfieldLeChat]

Retired troll please.

no you aren't...

I'm not defending anyone here. I am aware of the problems in the region and that these have been caused by the formation of Israel and the poor way that Israel behaves. Israel is without question the criminal in these affairs.
I further agree that the support given to Israel by the US and others has supported this situation and without that support the Israeli state would have been removed years ago. The six day war would have been very different without US military hardware and training.

agreed so far

What I am asking for is a little balance. Moono is suggesting that the arabs are always the innocent victims.

not arabs, palestinians stop using the language of the oppressing force to dehumanise and negate the existance of a very real group of people... this is as critical as anything else seeing as the whole situation really does boil down to language as much as anything. By calling them arabs you disenfrancise them from their own soverignty and right to a contigious homeland, it would be the same as calling the welsh celts and refusing to acknolodge the seperatise identiy which is different from that of the surrounding peoples. in short it is deliberate linguistic ethnic cleansing, which i'm sorry but i find is all to deliberate on you part.

I saw the coverage of palastinians whooping with delight at the mass murder in the twin towers.

good then you 'll accept that there were no more than (as cnn quoted) 30 people in the crowd and all palestinian high command went on record as saying that this was not the senitment of the palestinian people...

moreover why was the reasoning and the agenda of showing this crowd to US citizens at that time? why didn't they show the open mouths and the horrified faces in rhamallah at the time instead? could it be sensationalist news reporting?? could it be that this alone as it supports and confrims your prejudices is sufficent 'evidence' of all 'arab's' being anti US for you...

It is a sad but wholley understandable fact of life that many arab states would agree that the US was asking for it or got what it deserved, the cultural and moral realitivism which is applied to the vaule of a white life of a brown skinned life and the wholley biased manner in which the media chooses to protray this is little short of anti arab, anti palestinian propaganda. It reinforces the message towel heads will kill you in your bed and take your women... etc etc etc...

does the moral realitivism excuse the racist agenda it protrays things from of course not, but know this, moral realitivism cuts both ways, int he arab world the moral realitivism did say well they got there's, good, it's about time...

does this make it any more acceptable or indeed appropreate?

no of course not, however if you are choosing to use the argument of moral realitives then you need to find a balance which can be struck and understand it is not just the imperical right of the west to apply it to other nations or peoples....

I am well aware that these people have taken some shit from Israel but is that a good reason for that sick display of joy over mass murder.Moono's threads are always anti israeli and never mention Muslims murdering others.

no they don't they are well constructed threads reporting what is goign on in the current apartide conflict, they dont need to expand their premies to cover other unrealted things any more than a civil rights comment or piece fromt he 70's should have to expand to cover other issue with in africa. this is blatent and intended diversion which says that if you don't cover all areas of muslim action that you may not talk about isolated incidents which are note worthy. it also chooses to single out a proportion of the palestinian populace and portray them as beign the only group affected , 25% of palestinians are christian, over 50% are commuinist in certain regions and profess no religion at all..., but these are not counted in your exclusive muslim only cabal of baddies...

this continued useage by you of muslim as shorthand for Arab or Palestinian is nothing short of closet racsim masquerading as informed and Politically acceptble discrimination, it bears little on the truth of the sitatuion which repeadly you ahve proved you know little about other than you own blinding hatred of the amophous mass specture of the invisable muslim...

if you are going to do it please don't protray it as anything other than what it is...

I am aware that the Israelis kill more arabs than the arabs get Israelis but that's just as a result of the IDF being better at it and not for want of trying by the Arabs.

Again you are attempting to combine both exteranl arab countires actions and those of the palestinians in an attempt to deliberatly confuse the subject...

palestinians actions are an attempt to retain their land not an attempt to land grab and sezie new or more land; this is called defence.

The isreali actions (of their goverment and their boot boys and girls the IDF) actions are those of an occupiying force, and are aggressive and this is called attacking. it simply isn't a case of one side being better at it than the other is a case of there being a different motiveation behind the actions...

I would love to see the Israeli government take a moderate stance towards the Arabs but this will never happen until the bombs and rockets stop.

i think it's fairer to say this will never happen, at present this attidute has not stopped the expansion into occupied land, it has not stopped the seizing of the jordan valley or the illegal explusion of peoples from their land it has not stopped the collective punishment attacks nor will this the current map of the aviable land for a contiguious palestinian state is nothing more that a number of small isolated ghettos walled in and impossible to control as an indivual country... this will make it nothing more than a toursit oddity o stop over in when touring the holy land... not a viable country....

Problem is that the extremist muslims won't stop until Israel is gone.[/QUOTE]

All we are left with is killing and more killing until BOTH sides get their acts together.

true, but one is an act of defence one is an act of aggressive and systematic attack...

It was said that all the deaths caused by deserve a thread each. Perhaps we could start one for each non military death caused by muslims in any part of the world.

true but then we'd only be servicing you evidenced racist agenda... perhaps a thread started for each christian act of murder across the world would in fact crash the board... you haven't thought out your poitn because you are blinded by you inherent and systematic racist demigog...

It would be very easy to create anti muslim threads without any note as to the other side of the story.

see above your point is totall moot...

So back to my one and only point.

you are troll only intrested in the sound of your own self satisfied smug circlar arguments and have no intrest in contributeing other than feeding further racsim and bigotry into the threads...

Can we accept that both sides have a share of guilt and both need to consider their positions ?

nope bad things happen on both sides but this is far to wishy washy a statement to make over a situation such as this and it is intellectually decietful to attempt to make it...

the two sides actions are not equitable or comparible unless we look at only the base count of the dead... in which case we might as well say band men do bad things cos they are bad... however urban75 is above such txt spk and childish debate if you are not may i suggest the sandpit until you are old enough to debate propperly...

 

[big footed fred]

no you aren't....

I am, Honest.

I think I made great point in saying that Israel started this conflict and it is their actions coupled with support from the US that have made it what it is today.
I use the word Arab to define their general background. Perhaps palestinians is more specific but it was not intended to be other than a way to describe the group.
I use the word Muslim as it all seems to boil down to the fact that the new state is jewish. I am just guessing but I suspect if a displaced Muslim group had come to the area the story would not be the same.
I suspect that the Palesinians are proud to be Muslim so this is hardly an insult.
I still have to say that Moono's threads are always anti israeli and never mention Muslims murdering others. They all follow the same pattern.

this is little short of anti arab, anti palestinian propaganda. It reinforces the message towel heads will kill you in your bed and take your women... etc etc etc...

That's a hell of a jump from anything I said. That's just putting words into my mouth and a very poor way to make a point.

I'm sure we could start a million threads all making the same point about muslim, jewish or christian killing in the name of their god but I'm sure 1 or 2 threads making new points is better.

Just as a final note about my racist anti islamic rants.
I'm soon off to a Muslim country to meet Muslim friends.
I'm a crap racist and just to add I'm not a christian or a jew so that the religious bollocks out of the window.
Sorry to shag up your idea of my intentions.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I am, Honest.

I think I made great point in saying that Israel started this conflict and it is their actions coupled with support from the US that have made it what it is today.
I use the word Arab to define their general background. Perhaps palestinians is more specific but it was not intended to be other than a way to describe the group.
I use the word Muslim as it all seems to boil down to the fact that the new state is jewish. I am just guessing but I suspect if a displaced Muslim group had come to the area the story would not be the same.
I suspect that the Palesinians are proud to be Muslim so this is hardly an insult.
I still have to say that Moono's threads are always anti israeli and never mention Muslims murdering others. They all follow the same pattern.



That's a hell of a jump from anything I said. That's just putting words into my mouth and a very poor way to make a point.

I'm sure we could start a million threads all making the same point about muslim, jewish or christian killing in the name of their god but I'm sure 1 or 2 threads making new points is better.

Just as a final note about my racist anti islamic rants.
I'm soon off to a Muslim country to meet Muslim friends.
I'm a crap racist and just to add I'm not a christian or a jew so that the religious bollocks out of the window.
Sorry to shag up your idea of my intentions.

wriggle wriggle little worm...

 

[ZAMB]

I saw the coverage of palastinians whooping with delight at the mass murder in the twin towers.

It was certainly given more coverage than the Israeli Mossad agents who celebrated 9/11 in NYC. And they got off with deportation!!

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (2)
"They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness. (3)......
Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact (5). Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. (6)............
The police and FBI field agents became very suspicious when they found maps of the city with certain places highlighted, box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives. (10)

etc etc. This is a story which I remember being reported at the time, but hastily hushed up. I had to look online to find out what had happened to them.

 

[ZAMB]

More on the Israeli spy ring within the USA.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

see the problem is that there is still a fuckload of evidence to suggest that there was no isreali involvment in 9/11 and no mossad involvement and that there is an underlying agenda in those who promote such things...

 

[ZAMB]

see the problem is that there is still a fuckload of evidence to suggest that there was no isreali involvment in 9/11 and no mossad involvement and that there is an underlying agenda in those who promote such things...

And there is good reason for the US government to hush up such things - and Fox news was only too happy to oblige.

ALL LINKS TO CARL CAMERON'S FOX NEWS STORY ON THE ISRAELI SPY RING HAVE BEEN REMOVED AT THE EXPRESS REQUEST OF FOX NEWS.

 

[moono]

Fox is owned by Rupert Murdoch, I believe, and Rupert is part of the Israel Lobby;

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html

Not that that gives any credence to that particular story.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

And there is good reason for the US government to hush up such things - and Fox news was only too happy to oblige.

sorry but this is wandering dangerously close to anti semetic conspriscy bollocks which holds no truck on any part of this site and especially should be kept the fuck out of these threads about palestine and Isreal as far to many times the aggrivating neo con right wing pro zionist lobby which some times post here use it as a spring board to cite claims that all anti Isreal action is a smoke screen for the supposed anti sematism.

besides it's a bollocks story period. end of discussion. if you want to discuss it then kindly start another thread rather than highjacking this one, i appreactate the sentiment in point out one story vs another in regards to celebrations taking place on 11th September 2001 but it's a derail which is irrelivent raised intially by a troll in the form of BBF

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

...
All I am asking is a simple answer to a simple question or two.
I suspect that you are

1) Racist against Israelis
2) Anti jewish
3) Support murder

I see racism, religious hatred and murder as fundamental wrongs regardless of the target.
Can you say the same thing ?

Wow! Is that a record? It takes you five posts, and all on the first page, to play the anti-semitic card.

It really sickens me that people criticising Israeli state violence (and the Israeli forces have recently been found at inquests to have murdered two British citizens) are automatically assumed to be and referred to as anti-semitic.

There is a big different between a person being anti-semitic and a person being against state sponsored aggression. Appreciate the difference.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Wow! Is that a record? It takes you five posts, and all on the first page, to play the anti-semitic card.

It really sickens me that people criticising Israeli state violence (and the Israeli forces have recently been found at inquests to have murdered two British citizens) are automatically assumed to be and referred to as anti-semitic.

There is a big different between a person being anti-semitic and a person being against state sponsored aggression. Appreciate the difference.

It isn't as if it's difficult to unravel which is which.

I've been hearing the "criticism is anti-Semitic" schtick for most of my life, and it's got worse lately, especially as many media outlets appear to be running scared of being accused of anti-Semitism so hardly ever criticise Zionism.

The "self-hating Jew" bullshit has made a return too.

 

[moono]

No discussion of the Lobby would be complete without an examination of one of its most powerful weapons: the charge of anti-semitism. Anyone who criticises Israel’s actions or argues that pro-Israel groups have significant influence over US Middle Eastern policy – an influence AIPAC celebrates – stands a good chance of being labelled an anti-semite. Indeed, anyone who merely claims that there is an Israel Lobby runs the risk of being charged with anti-semitism, even though the Israeli media refer to America’s ‘Jewish Lobby’. In other words, the Lobby first boasts of its influence and then attacks anyone who calls attention to it. It’s a very effective tactic: anti-semitism is something no one wants to be accused of.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html

That's one particular Zionist tactic that needs open discussion. It ought to be discussed more widely.

I won't even let the Zionists claim the term 'Semite'. It's ethnic cleansing by semantics. 'Semite' refers to all people indigenous to the region.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Wow! Is that a record? It takes you five posts, and all on the first page, to play the anti-semitic card.

It really sickens me that people criticising Israeli state violence (and the Israeli forces have recently been found at inquests to have murdered two British citizens) are automatically assumed to be and referred to as anti-semitic.

There is a big different between a person being anti-semitic and a person being against state sponsored aggression. Appreciate the difference.

fucklt he difference simply judge like for like...

if it's a fuckign disgrace and an outrage to humanity that anyone of any race creed or faith could actively decide to fly a plan into a building and kill people it's a fucking outrage that anyone of any race creed or faith could use an f16 to bomb a home...

If it's a fucking disgrace and an outrage to humantiy that anyone of any race creed or faith could stave humans to death and kill them in chemical shows and burn the bodies in ovens it's also a fucking disgrace and an outrage to humanity that any race creed or faith can be tourtured dissappeared multiated ...

If swiss banks can be taken to court and made to pay reperations for land, goods and artifacts stolen in the second world war then so can isreal for the land, goods and artifacts stolen from palestine...

like for like...

 

[rachamim18]

Sigh...

Dexter: So the wounding of the Israeli by a Qassam was orchestrated? By whom? Surely you aren't suggesting that Israel is firing Qassams on its own population?

Garfield: Your protests aginst the denigration of "Palestinians" by the reference of them as Arabs would be admirable IF only it has a shred of factual basis. In fact, the people now referred to as "Palestinians" did not exist until 1948! Yes, there were Arabs in the vicinty, most of whom had a 350 years history [or less] on the land. However, until the mid 1830s they had no such thing as a distinct identity. They were not distinct in language, customs, cuisine, or identity.

After the the Pasha Rebellion in Egypt things began to change in the region. Still, the closest these ARABS came to a unique identity [until 1948] was the appellation "Southern Syrians" adopted aftered the failed attempt of the Husseini Clan to wrest Sryia from the French in the early 20th Century [CE/AD]. After this failure, there was a void until 1948 when Jews ceased referring to themselves as "Palestinians" and the Arabs adopted the moniker.

They are indeed a distinct people at this point, if only because they themselves have adopted a cohesive identity and the world at large has accepted it. Historically speaking though, this was never the case.

As for Israel being their opressor, if was not Israel that made them refuse to agree to the original Partition..or the more than dozen other offers of statehood made to them until 1949. It was not the Israelis, Zionists, or Jews that made them refuse more modern offers. It was not Israel that stole the bulk of their inheritance to create Trans-Jordan, or formally annex the so called "West Bank," or subjugate Gaza in 49, and so on.

Israel had Gaza and the so called "West Bank" dumped in their laps in 67 when both Jordan and Egypt BOTH formally renounced any and all claimsto saidlands. They then administered the lands until such time as the local Arabs fielded effective leadersip.

Moono: [Yet again] What does a disparity in body counts have to do with anything? Israel is better equipped? Trained? Motivated? Luckier? Most adults realise that the underdog is not always correct.


Your joke about "Palestinians" celebrating the World Trade Center Attack is heinous. I actually labaroed there for almost 4 years and wonder if you would have tried to be so cute had you had to pick peoples fingernails out of the rubble/ Very poor taste indeed.

 

[rachamim18]

More..

Garfield: Your claim that the "Palestinian" crowd celebrating the WTC Attack was no more than 30 strong ospreposterous. You quote CNN? Try the "Palestinian Chronicle," PA TV, Israeli Channles 1 and 2, al Jazeera, and the I.Herald.

The PA did say that this unmitigated outpouring of joy was not the true sentiment of the "Palestinians," but only after they saw the horror [at their reaction] in the Arabian, UAE, Kuwati, Jordanina, and Egyptian official responses.

As to "open faces of horror in Ramallah at the same time," that never happened, sorry.

As to "brown skins andwhite skins" having anything to do with a response at the atrocity, wasn't it you who had justsaid that it was a sensationalist press that reported a supposedly joyous celebration after the attacks? Please, make up your mind.

As for "brown skins," you are not only exhibiting the same bias you rail against but are engaging in ignorance as well. Arabs, as a Semitic people, come in ever shade imaginable, just like Jews. From blackest black to Nordic white. I don'tmean to disparage you personally but have you ever been to the region in question?

For the record, Arabs STILL enslave black skinned Africans and their descendants. So yes, racism is alive in the dynamic, just not in the vein you seem to have imagined.

Your claim that there are areas where 50% of the Arab population is "communist and profess no belief in G-d" is hilarious. Sorry, about 40 years too late. The only place that still holds true is in PFLP offices. Even the PLO abandoned that path many years ago.

"One is an act of defence, the other an act of agression." Please clarify; Are you seriously suggesting that PIJ attacks are acts of defence? Does the HAMAS Charter [or the charters of 23 other "Palestinian"groups all vying for the avowed total destruction of the ENTIRE nation of Israel ] speak of defensive action? Is that what killing every Jews on Earth is now called? WINK.


Big Footed Fred: Please elaborate on "Israel started this conflist." Thanks in advance.

As for the "support of the US," the Israeli/ American relationship only dates to LBJ [and only then begrudgingly]. In fact, beofre that America was by no means even neutral in the positive sense.

Certainly SOME "Palestinians" AREproud to be Muslim but many are not Muslim at all. There was a huge anomosity beween Christain and Muslim Arab [just as in present day Lebanon] but the Jewish state took care of all that. Still however, those two groups strive tomaintain their separate identies.

In fact is is not all about religious difference bny any means.and not all Muslims are anti-Israel. In Israel proper the Bedua, Sudanese, and the Circassians are all very pro Israel...even up to insiting on being included in the mandatory military service required of most Jewish Israelis.

Yes ZAMB!!! YOU have discovered the truth!!! WE ISRAELIS WERE JUMPING AND DOING HI 5S!!!!!! What of the,many Jews who died in the attack? Of ISraelislikemwholabored there picking bodyparts out of the muck?


Better yet, Mossad now uses doorto door salesmen/women under 22 as assets? HAHAHAHA

 

[ZAMB]

sorry but this is wandering dangerously close to anti semetic conspriscy bollocks.............
besides it's a bollocks story period. end of discussion. if you want to discuss it then kindly start another thread rather than highjacking this one, i appreactate the sentiment in point out one story vs another in regards to celebrations taking place on 11th September 2001 but it's a derail which is irrelivent raised intially by a troll in the form of BBF

As you pointed out, it wasn't me that brought 9/11 into the thread, and what is the basis for you saying that it's a bollocks story? I remember it being reported at the time and then hushed up. I didn't see you complaining about the
derail by BFF until I countered with this story. In fact, on this MB, threads seem to be derailed all the time and nothing's said.
Just IMHO, of course. I haven't been here that long.

 

[moono]

Big Footed Fred: Please elaborate on "Israel started this conflist." Thanks in advance.

I can help out here. In 1948, post Resolution 181, the Zionists began a programme of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and Palestinian villages. Their slaughter of the residents of the village of Deir Yassin caused the armies of the Arab League to attempt to intervene some weeks later.
The Zionists claim that The Arab League armies started the war of 1948, a blatant and demonstrable untruth.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

As you pointed out, it wasn't me that brought 9/11 into the thread, and what is the basis for you saying that it's a bollocks story? I remember it being reported at the time and then hushed up. I didn't see you complaining about the
derail by BFF until I countered with this story. In fact, on this MB, threads seem to be derailed all the time and nothing's said.
Just IMHO, of course. I haven't been here that long.

it's not cross refferenceable or corroborated and ties in with a number of anti semetic type comments made at the time and circulating on the internet afterwards, also the story originates from pravda refference to the Israeli newspaper Na-Arets however the newspaper denied any knowledge of this report... so not know for it's unbiased isreali stance or the vailidity of it's reporting generally... it's likely that this story isn't a cover up so much as anti sematism masquerading as 'fact' but in reality it's an internet fact nothing more... remeber kid's just cos it's on the internet don't make it true...

http://web.archive.org/web/20011003194109/http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/09/21/15846.html

beside's neither report is vaild of any countires or assocated peoples reactions or interpreatation of the event other than those people potentailly observed as doing so...

either way it's a massive diversion away from the topic of this thread and frankly a fruitless one...

 

[ZAMB]

it's not cross refferenceable or corroborated and ties in with a number of anti semetic type comments made at the time and circulating on the internet afterwards, also the story originates from pravda ...

Pravda??? There were thousands of newspaper reports etc. of this event worldwide, and eye witness reports and somehow you KNOW it originated with Pravda. I got pages of Google hits - even from UK papers http://www.sundayherald.com/37707 for instance, so how is it not crossreferenceable - ALL these sources were taken in by a nasty Russian plot?? Get a Grip!!!!

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Pravda??? There were thousands of newspaper reports etc. of this event worldwide, and eye witness reports and somehow you KNOW it originated with Pravda. I got pages of Google hits - even from UK papers http://www.sundayherald.com/37707 for instance, so how is it not crossreferenceable - ALL these sources were taken in by a nasty Russian plot?? Get a Grip!!!!

erm no bcuase the story DID originate in pravda as evidneced by the link which i included in my post detailing it... are you a twat or what... moreover if you refference my link with snopes you'll also tunr up some intresting informaiton, there are ways and means of finding out this information it's called a little basic research you fuckign tick turd now then if you haev nothign more than bullshit and racism to add to the thread like many other of the nut job tinfoil hat wearing freaks who espouse this shit then fuck off else where and post it... this is neither the time nor place fuckwad...

 

[ZAMB]

erm no bcuase the story DID originate in pravda

Not the story I was talking about, it has been investigated and proved correct which started elsewhere - see below.

For its part, the Israeli Ha'aretz' newspaper revealed that the FBI arrested five Israelis four hours after the attack on the Twin Towers while filming the smoking skyline from the roof of their company's building. The FBI had arrested the five for "puzzling behavior". They are said to have been caught videotaping the disaster in what was interpreted as cries of joy and mockery.http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/12/WTC_Mysteries3.html
This claim was substantially correct: Yossi Melman had reported to that effect in Haaretz on September 17 2001http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=75266&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y,
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_claims_regarding_Jews_or_Israel

 

[big footed fred]

wriggle wriggle little worm...

I love to see well argued points in responce to a post. It shows the poster can stand by his points and forward his position.
On the other hand you did the above.

Went to london yesterday and heard on the radio news on the way that a group of ex IDF men and a bunch of ex Palestinian fighters had got together to try to stop the killings.
Men who tried to kill each other working as one to try to end it.

Perhaps my ideas of peace and understanding are not so unreasonable if men like these can express the same opinions.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I love to see well argued points in responce to a post. It shows the poster can stand by his points and forward his position.
On the other hand you did the above.

Went to london yesterday and heard on the radio news on the way that a group of ex IDF men and a bunch of ex Palestinian fighters had got together to try to stop the killings.
Men who tried to kill each other working as one to try to end it.

Perhaps my ideas of peace and understanding are not so unreasonable if men like these can express the same opinions.

fred i made a 300 word post response to you before this comment and you couldn't be bother to tackle the issues raised in it you really think i can be arsed to bother myself with your flippancies ...

christ what an ego...

 

[big footed fred]

fred i made a 300 word post response to you before this comment and you couldn't be bother to tackle the issues raised in it you really think i can be arsed to bother myself with your flippancies ...

christ what an ego...

You did indeed but most of it was crap.
The "towel heads" comment was the low point that made me ignore most of what you said.

You seem to have decided that I am defending Israel. This is wrong as I thought I had made clear.

I am making a single point in this thread. That is the killing can't continue.
I know israel is the invader and has done much that is wrong but it won't go away so perhaps it's time to stop the pointless killing and start to talk.
It may take a while but if both can agree this first step we may see peace in the area.
That must be better than the tit for tat murders that achieve nothing.

Can you think of a better way ?

 

[moono]

UNITED NATIONS - The United States on Thursday blocked a UN Security Council statement drafted by Arab nations and aimed at putting pressure on Israel to stop military strikes on Palestinian targets. US Ambassador John Bolton said the draft, even after three days of intense negotiations, “was disproportionately critical of Israel, and unfairly so, and needlessly so.”


Asked by reporters to confirm that Washington alone had opposed issuing the statement, Bolton responded, “If I were the only holdout, I’d be proud of that fact.”

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/Display...il/middleeast_April356.xml&section=middleeast

Bolton was installed at the UN to enrage. That's his function. Why they would want to start an anti-American recruitment campaign world-wide is a mystery to me. Perhaps the cocktail of arrogance and guilt makes them feel invulnerable.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Bolton was installed at the UN to enrage. That's his function. Why they would want to start an anti-American recruitment campaign world-wide is a mystery to me. Perhaps the cocktail of arrogance and guilt makes them feel invulnerable.

Same old same old that's held sway for nigh on a century; perpetuation of the M-I complex.
Bolton's just stirring the pot like a good little hireling, making sure his principals at Boeing, Lockheed, McDonnell-Douglas etc get their green rolling in smoothly.

 

[moono]

BFF;

I am making a single point in this thread. That is the killing can't continue. I know israel is the invader and has done much that is wrong but it won't go away so perhaps it's time to stop the pointless killing and start to talk.

As you've seen from the two previous posts , Republican America has no intentions of reigning in its stormtroopers. It has motive in perpetuating killing.
Zionism is the boil on the arse of world peace.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

You did indeed but most of it was crap.
The "towel heads" comment was the low point that made me ignore most of what you said.

You seem to have decided that I am defending Israel. This is wrong as I thought I had made clear.

I am making a single point in this thread. That is the killing can't continue.
I know israel is the invader and has done much that is wrong but it won't go away so perhaps it's time to stop the pointless killing and start to talk.
It may take a while but if both can agree this first step we may see peace in the area.
That must be better than the tit for tat murders that achieve nothing.

Can you think of a better way ?

oh fuck off fred you are not making any point you seek to reduce complex things down to tiny minisule irrlelvences in an aim to cheap point score and win an argument when everything else you have preiovusly said has been prooved to be utter tosh.

<knodding dog mode> sure, the killing must stop ... bad men do bad ... 101 other platitudes from ill informed, bombasically, popmous, arrogant, thick peoples argumentment book</knodding dog mode>

so who has to stop the killing would it be acceptable to say if you are aware who the aggerssor is how can you turn round to the victim and say you should fight less to protect yourself...

imagine a girl is being raped and at the same time she is being over powered by a much stronger person she is fighting back as hard as she might knowing that it may result in her death or destruction to do so. What you are saying is the law says rape is a crime but also that grevious bodly harm is a crime if the girl does not stop the grevious bodily harm the law can have no choice but to ignore the crime of the rape...

that's the level of your argument now FUCK OFF don't bother your stupid stupid little head with these discussions you clearly are here to do nothing more than spread shit around these thread's you have been weighed measured and found lacking son... sling your hook..

when you have something which resembles a decent level of humanity and empathy towards your fellow humans then maybe you might be able to enguae on some level in this type of debate.... but frankley i reckon i have seen and known children with a less ambigious sense of human decency than you....

 

[big footed fred]

oh fuck off fred ..

So i'm guessing you don't agree there is any chance for peace.
I suspect not as so many from each side have so much hatred there can be nothing but more killings.

I'm sure that in the history books yet to be written the stupidity of this situation will be held up as a classic example of the way that humans have ruined their own lives and the lives of others.

Israel is very wrong in what it has done and continues to do but will never be forced into change while it has the excuse of defence from terrorism.

Pity as so many will die so people like you and moono can be proven right.

 

[moono]

BFF

Pity as so many will die so people like you and moono can be proven right.

You don't learn, Fred. You're an appeaser. You couldn't differentiate between peace and slavery.