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Israeli soldiers confess to murder.

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Israeli military prosecutors have opened criminal investigations following allegations by soldiers that they carried out illegal shoot-to-kill orders against unarmed Palestinians.


Some of the soldiers, who also spoke to the Guardian, say they acted on standing orders in some parts of the Palestinian territories to open fire on people regardless of whether they were armed or not, or posed any physical threat.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1563531,00.html


After all the denials and arguments I'm glad that this is in the open, regardless of the findings of the Israeli military prosecutors.

Did they specifically target children ? Perhaps we'll find out.
 
Cemerty: You of course being a person who openyl expresses admiratrion for the IRA...


As for the initial post...BOGU NONSENSE! If even a modicum of it were to be half true, it would be front page news internationally ofr months. Of course it is not and that about aus it sll...how sad that some are so gullible!
 
rachamim18 said:
Cemerty: You of course being a person who openyl expresses admiratrion for the IRA...


As for the initial post...BOGU NONSENSE! If even a modicum of it were to be half true, it would be front page news internationally ofr months. Of course it is not and that about aus it sll...how sad that some are so gullible!
i think menachem begin also expressed considerable admiration for the irish republican army...
 
it would be front page news

Front pages have finite space. Page five news will do for now . Truth is truth, no matter the page number.

.how sad that some are so gullible!

Yes. The Israeli propaganda department has relied upon gullibility for decades.
 
rachamim18 said:
Cemerty: You of course being a person who openyl expresses admiratrion for the IRA...


As for the initial post...BOGU NONSENSE! If even a modicum of it were to be half true, it would be front page news internationally ofr months. Of course it is not and that about aus it sll...how sad that some are so gullible!

yeah i mean asking us to swallow at that " we are victims" shit is a little to much to swallow your right...but i sense the tides turning kid..and its turning against your silly child killing military regime getting away with it......
 
In other words, the Times reported Israeli deaths at a rate approximately three times greater than Palestinian deaths.

During this period over three times more Palestinians were being killed than Israelis.

Overall, we found that in every single category Times coverage reported Israeli deaths at rates three or more times greater than Palestinian deaths.

Such patterns of distortion gave readers the impression that equal numbers of people on both sides were being killed — or that more Israelis were being killed — when the reality is that Palestinians have always been killed in far greater numbers. In particular, we found that Times stories so often repeated reports of Israeli children's deaths that in some periods they were reporting on Israeli deaths at a rate of 400 percent.

In contrast, the majority of Palestinian deaths — particularly children's deaths — were never reported by the Times at all.

According to Israeli human rights groups and others who assiduously gather data on all children killed in the conflict, at least 82 Palestinian children were killed before any Israeli children were killed — and the largest single cause of these Palestinian children's deaths was "gunfire to the head." Yet, almost no one is aware of this, since Times coverage consistently omitted or minimized coverage of these Palestinian deaths.

In other words, we found that New York Times coverage of Israel-Palestine exhibited highly disturbing patterns of bias.

To make matters worse, since the Times is often considered "the newspaper of record," with hundreds of newspapers subscribing to the New York Times News Service, the paper's distortions become replicated throughout the country.

Unintentionally, editors around the country are reporting this issue with a distortion based on ethnicity that most would oppose, if they were aware that they were doing it.
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article3796.shtml

shocking, isn't it? and we see that pattern repeated once more, with worldwide coverage of a few Synagogues being destroyed in Gaza, yet hardly a word on the hundreds of mosques which have been destroyed, "desecrated" or re-used for other purposes over the last 60 years across the Israeli-occupied territories of Palestine
 
All forces in history have had their moments of excess, and every now and then some have to face their own courts of justice.

I am not going to hold my breath for members of the likes of Hamas and Al Quaeda to do a mea culpa, or be 'court marshalled' by their own guys.

Seems like we have 'double standards' somewhere.
 
FruitandNut said:
All forces in history have had their moments of excess, and every now and then some have to face their own courts of justice.

I am not going to hold my breath for members of the likes of Hamas and Al Quaeda to do a mea culpa, or be 'court marshalled' by their own guys.

Seems like we have 'double standards' somewhere.

That logic is so flawed that you should be careful when walking around it. You may fall into the large crack. :)

You're comparing state forces, i.e. those military bodies mandated by constitutional agreement for military action with, on the one hand, a religion-based non-state organisation described as "terrorist", and on the other hand an amorphous conceptual framework for a fundamentalist religion-based movement toward a specific set of ideas which uses terrorism as part of its armoury (alongside funding religious schools, local politics etc).

There is no comparison.
A state force, by its' nature is subject to certain checks and balances that a non-state force is not. Even if the non-state force uses reprehensible tactics, that does not validate the use of the same tactics by the state force.

There is indeed a double standard: If one body claims to exist within the rule of law it should not step outside of it at whim and expect not to be held to account for it, and yet...
 
They have their own structures and higher authorities, but they seem to be beyond reprimand. Whatever they do, no matter how gross is OK and can be excused - how quaint.

ps. If some squaddies on the ground go beyond their rules of engagement it is mostly unreasonable to hold high command directly responsible.

pps. As my old Decision Making Studies prof. put on one of my assignments, "You are obviously capable of complex thought and analysis".
 
FruitandNut said:
They have their own structures and higher authorities, but they seem to be beyond reprimand. Whatever they do, no matter how gross is OK and can be excused - how quaint.
The usual equation in such organisations, which appears to hold true in most cases is; transgression of authority = unmarked grave.
ps. If some squaddies on the ground go beyond their rules of engagement it is mostly unreasonable to hold high command directly responsible.
If by that you mean that it appears unreasonable to "the man in the street" then I'd agree. If you mean it is militarily unreasonable to expect responsibility to follow the chain of command then I'll point my finger at you and laugh.
pps. As my old Decision Making Studies prof. put on one of my assignments, "You are obviously capable of complex thought and analysis".
Which says nothing about the standard of same.
 
rachamim18 said:
Cemerty: You of course being a person who openyl expresses admiratrion for the IRA...


As for the initial post...BOGU NONSENSE! If even a modicum of it were to be half true, it would be front page news internationally ofr months. Of course it is not and that about aus it sll...how sad that some are so gullible!

Agree with Cemerty absolutely harldly surprising.

As for front page news, I think we all know by now how the media is run and who controls a majority of it.
 
FruitandNut said:
I am not going to hold my breath for members of the likes of Hamas and Al Quaeda to do a mea culpa, or be 'court marshalled' by their own guys.

Seems like we have 'double standards' somewhere.

To a degree i agree with you...what standards do those groups you mention operate to?????
BUT you are equating one terror group with the actions of a Sov state......and you can`t...
 
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