Israel to declare Gaza 'hostile'
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ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
You'll notice that that's a largely "Arab" demonstration, Johnny. Yet there is an Israeli flag united with the Palestinian flag on an especially printed placard, amidst a sea of Palestinian flags and "Arab" dress. There's a middle-class western looking, possibly Israeli, woman to the right.
All the people want is peace and harmony with their Israeli neighbours, whom they pity also for their fear and sacrifice to the military.
But people who persist in labelling people - to the extent of inventing whole new names for Arab Jews - just so they may be regarded as mortal enemies, beyond all human reason; those people are the people that force the conflict to continue indefinitely.
All the people want is peace and harmony with their Israeli neighbours, whom they pity also for their fear and sacrifice to the military.
But people who persist in labelling people - to the extent of inventing whole new names for Arab Jews - just so they may be regarded as mortal enemies, beyond all human reason; those people are the people that force the conflict to continue indefinitely.
Johnny Canuck3
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ymu said:
Why do you say that: because she's short and got grey hair? Her hand is over her face, making it impossible to tell much of anything about her.
Johnny Canuck3
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ymu said:Those clothes weren't made or bought in Palestine.
Are palestinians restricted to wearing clothes made or bought in Palestine?
Were these clothes made or bought in Palestine?
Johnny Canuck3
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ymu said:Those clothes weren't made or bought in Palestine.
East Jerusalem, maybe, at a stretch - but there'd be a lot more smart Western dress and binational flags in EJ. But otherwise, not even Ramallah, the Palestinian Party City, IMO.
You just love to edit, don't you?
Why not count to ten before you post, and get your whole thought in there the first time?
GarfieldLeChat
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yes and so what there's no problem with other cultures merging in accross the world ok there's problems such as pecking order but by and by they get on with it... why the hell should isreal be any different ??Johnny Canuck2 said:
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GarfieldLeChat said:
See my earlier posts on Silesia and the Sudeten Germans.
To my knowledge, Israel is the only entityin the world that services the infrastructure of an entity fully committed to destroying that provider and fully acting upon that commitment.
My only problem with the policy change is in the timing. It should have been Western New Tear 2006.
My only problem with the policy change is in the timing. It should have been Western New Tear 2006.
Detroit City: Modern Zionism began in the 1860s but can be traced to the 19th Century's first two decades. It did not begin with the Nazis .
Secondly, equating anything Jewish with Nazism is the hight of ignorance. Last time I checked, and I check pretty often, I did not hear of any Arab babies being turned intp lamshade or any Arab being gassed.
Gaza was given, along with much of the Israeli created infrastructure, to the "Palestinians" when Israel Withdrew in August ,2005. Instead of using this strong foundation tawds nationhood, the "Palestinians" under their elected leaders HAMAS chose instead to conti8nue in engaging in terrorism,etc.
If "Palestinians" in Gaza suffer, it is for bad choices made by their leaders, leaders whomn they elected.
As for Jews only caring about genocide, etc. whent hey themselves are oppressed. You need to first learn that Jewish does not equal Zionist nor does Zionist equal Jew. then you need to learn about humanitarian programs operated by Israel both in Israel and all around the world.
Jews, and Israel as a Jewish State but not home to all Jews mind you, carries on the ethical tradition of both Judiasim and the Jewish Culture to a high degree. From Darfuri camps in both Sudan and Chad to Peruvian mudslides you will find Israelis hard at work for no benefit at all , save bettering peoples' lives.
TAE: "Israel is punishing the population of Gaza by debying vital services." As I have certainly explained to you many a time, Infrastructure is a basic military prinicpal. Gaza is indeed a hostile entity as the powerbase of both HAMAS and PIJ so that Israel is merely operating correctly in this context.
It will try and force the population's hand in removing HAMAS from power, and if that is not successful and it most certainly will be not, it will certainly strike militarily asnd in both scenarios dnial of Infrastructural services is a basic building block.
Moono: "Israel is an occupying power and this bound to provide Infrastructural services." Israel is neither. It is not occupying anything because nothing existed there. There has never been a nation called "Palestine" nor has there EVER been an Arab nation there in any way, shape, or form.
When Israel triumphed there militarily in 1967, it was there because the foreign power holding it, Egypot, had iniated military action from there and thus Israel had no choice but to take hold of it and continue to administer it in the face of no stable governmental entity.
Secondly, equating anything Jewish with Nazism is the hight of ignorance. Last time I checked, and I check pretty often, I did not hear of any Arab babies being turned intp lamshade or any Arab being gassed.
Gaza was given, along with much of the Israeli created infrastructure, to the "Palestinians" when Israel Withdrew in August ,2005. Instead of using this strong foundation tawds nationhood, the "Palestinians" under their elected leaders HAMAS chose instead to conti8nue in engaging in terrorism,etc.
If "Palestinians" in Gaza suffer, it is for bad choices made by their leaders, leaders whomn they elected.
As for Jews only caring about genocide, etc. whent hey themselves are oppressed. You need to first learn that Jewish does not equal Zionist nor does Zionist equal Jew. then you need to learn about humanitarian programs operated by Israel both in Israel and all around the world.
Jews, and Israel as a Jewish State but not home to all Jews mind you, carries on the ethical tradition of both Judiasim and the Jewish Culture to a high degree. From Darfuri camps in both Sudan and Chad to Peruvian mudslides you will find Israelis hard at work for no benefit at all , save bettering peoples' lives.
TAE: "Israel is punishing the population of Gaza by debying vital services." As I have certainly explained to you many a time, Infrastructure is a basic military prinicpal. Gaza is indeed a hostile entity as the powerbase of both HAMAS and PIJ so that Israel is merely operating correctly in this context.
It will try and force the population's hand in removing HAMAS from power, and if that is not successful and it most certainly will be not, it will certainly strike militarily asnd in both scenarios dnial of Infrastructural services is a basic building block.
Moono: "Israel is an occupying power and this bound to provide Infrastructural services." Israel is neither. It is not occupying anything because nothing existed there. There has never been a nation called "Palestine" nor has there EVER been an Arab nation there in any way, shape, or form.
When Israel triumphed there militarily in 1967, it was there because the foreign power holding it, Egypot, had iniated military action from there and thus Israel had no choice but to take hold of it and continue to administer it in the face of no stable governmental entity.
GarfieldLeChat
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Oi rach you answer the damn question yet?
if not off you todd
if not off you todd
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GarfieldLeChat said:
Oh and whilst we are on the subject of unanswered questions Garf...I've been after the author and title of this book he quoted a few weeks back before his third or fourth strop (I'm losing count now)....
rachamim18 said:
....do you think I'm going to get an answer?
YMU: How many years after the crime did Nuremburg take place?
How many years has Israel been administering "WB" (and how many did it with Gaza)? See a bit of a difference? Seeing as how we are still there, one would think it would be so exceedingly easy to bring chanrges. yes? Why are they not forthcoming?
How many years has Israel been administering "WB" (and how many did it with Gaza)? See a bit of a difference? Seeing as how we are still there, one would think it would be so exceedingly easy to bring chanrges. yes? Why are they not forthcoming?
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
The Nuremberg trials took place from 1945 to 1949; the Nazis started imprisoning people without trial from 1936.rachamim18 said:
The Zionist terrorists started massacring Palestinians in 1947, stepped it up in 1948 and put two-thirds of the Palestinian population into exile within a few months. The terrorists were admitted to the UN as the state known as "Israel" on 11th May 1949 on condition that the Palestinian refugees were allowed to return to their homes, amongst other items specified in the, then two, outstanding resolutions against the new terrorist state.
The next major genocidal action (within historic Palestine) was in 1967, and then again in the early years of this millennium. Israel has well over a hundred and fifty outstanding UN resolutions and has complied with none. Germany stopped reparation payments to the Israeli state in 2005. 10 million Palestinians remain dispossessed, 6 million in the diaspora, 4 million UN registered refugees. Their remaining territory is no more than a giant prison camp with permission to enter or leave dependent on Israel's whim; a territory swarming with armed racists who happily shoot on sight knowing that they are unlikely to be convicted, let alone face a credible sentence.
And you have the nerve to claim that the Nuremberg laws do not apply to you and your fellow genocidal countrymen; you were victimised and so you may righteously visit bloody sadistic revenge upon innocents who never harmed you. Nuremberg was a victor's justice and your terrorist state is too well armed and mendacious to allow victory by a people armed with stones. You disgust me.
YMU: Nuremburg could not take place until the war ended because the war was a more pressing issue and there was no way at all to bring anyone to trial. In this case there is no world war involving Israel nor is there anything preventing the International Tribune from acting.
The "facts" you present in your last post are not "facts" at all but propaganda. If Israel kicked all those Arabs out, ethnically cleansed, why does Israel now have 2 million Arabs with full citizenship? Your claim does not make snese.
These 2 million CHOOSE to be citizens. Israel does not prevent anyone from emigrating, Arab or otherwise. Not only do the 2 million CHOOSE to be Israeli, but we have 300,000 Arab illegal aliens (a pheomenol number when considering the paer capita ramifications) since Oslo alone. why would people be literally risking their lives to get into our country if it was such a hell?
Israel was not admitted to the UN on any condition. It was admitted because the UN created Israel. As to letting Arabs return, we did. We, under UN Mediation allowed any that was willing to sign obesiance vows return peaceably. Those that opted not to, and most of course opted out, were then accorded monetary settlemnts with agreement to surrender any possible future claim. Not many opted for that either.
"Israel has so many UN Resolutions" Only General Assmbly and they mean nothing. Let us forget that Gen Ass is merely opinion, unenforcable and meaninglss in reality and simply examine each and every one of those "outstanding " Resolutions. Who were they authored by? Why would Israel ever consider obeying a document authored by entities that do not even recognise Israel's very existence?
Why would Israel EVER consider complying with any Resolution authored by entites still engaged in state of declared war with Israel?
If I say you do not exist how can I ask you to do something? Then, even if I ignore that oxymoronic situation, why would I obey your wishes when you are at war with me, seeking to destroy me?
"Germany stopped reperations to Israel, Israel has not even begun reperations..."
Germany gassed Jews. Israel has not done any such thing. Genocide is a caluclated program of extermination. Are you suggesting that Israel has the aim of exterminating ANY ethnic,religious,political, or religious group? If not, you should consider rephrasing your words. If you so think this, you should prove it because it is a vile accusation.
Furthermore, German Reperations n the only area applicable (if it were even remotely so) were Deeded Property and Ban Accounts. "Palestinians" for the most part did not have deeded property. They practiced the Arab form of land ownership. They were ruled, prior to Israel, by the UK. The UYK, as does Israel practices/ed Deeded Ownership...as did Turkey the nation that controlled that land for almst half a millenia before the Brits. Since almost all Arabs there came to the land during the (last half of) the Ottoman (Turkish) Rule, they are judged according to Turkish (and by inheritance British and Israeli) standards.
Have a deed? Think Israel snatched it? Bring a lawsuit. Many have. Some have won, almost all have not because they do not have actual deeds.
"4 million refugees." Of which almost all are not true refugess but offspring thereof. You obviously feel that they should haver the "Right of Reurn." Luckily for Israel International Law does not agee with you.
"Ar,ed racists. Raicsm..You mean like making blanket statements of a vile nature about an entire People? Hmmm...
Fact is, Jew and Arab are not only of the same exact race but the same exact sub classification as well. Ergo, how could one be truly racist about one's own self?
More to the point, demonstrate one racist action on the part of the State?
Careful with semantics, you seem to be suggesting that Israel feels it does not need to abdide by the Nuremburg Rulings. This is patently not true and quite offencive. I did say that Nuremburg is not the analogy that even remotely fits this dynamic. Nothing Israel does is either racist or institutionalised.
I am admittredly at a handicap in English but even I can easily recognise your improper phrasing: "Vistor's justice." The phrase suggest justice as considred by the victorious in WWII. Jews did not win anything and Nuremburg was not a Jewish affair. It was an Allies versus German affair. Totally different.
"You diusgust me." Is it not so very telling that i choose to only adress your comments, and you choose to focus on your perception of me as a person? Attacking the person instead of the argument is grade school nonsense. i would hope that you might be able to demonstrate even a minimum of civility.
Funny how Israel and its people are charcterised as hateful and unwilling to accept diversity and here we have an Israeli not resorting to ugliness even when called vile insults. Something to think about.
The "facts" you present in your last post are not "facts" at all but propaganda. If Israel kicked all those Arabs out, ethnically cleansed, why does Israel now have 2 million Arabs with full citizenship? Your claim does not make snese.
These 2 million CHOOSE to be citizens. Israel does not prevent anyone from emigrating, Arab or otherwise. Not only do the 2 million CHOOSE to be Israeli, but we have 300,000 Arab illegal aliens (a pheomenol number when considering the paer capita ramifications) since Oslo alone. why would people be literally risking their lives to get into our country if it was such a hell?
Israel was not admitted to the UN on any condition. It was admitted because the UN created Israel. As to letting Arabs return, we did. We, under UN Mediation allowed any that was willing to sign obesiance vows return peaceably. Those that opted not to, and most of course opted out, were then accorded monetary settlemnts with agreement to surrender any possible future claim. Not many opted for that either.
"Israel has so many UN Resolutions" Only General Assmbly and they mean nothing. Let us forget that Gen Ass is merely opinion, unenforcable and meaninglss in reality and simply examine each and every one of those "outstanding " Resolutions. Who were they authored by? Why would Israel ever consider obeying a document authored by entities that do not even recognise Israel's very existence?
Why would Israel EVER consider complying with any Resolution authored by entites still engaged in state of declared war with Israel?
If I say you do not exist how can I ask you to do something? Then, even if I ignore that oxymoronic situation, why would I obey your wishes when you are at war with me, seeking to destroy me?
"Germany stopped reperations to Israel, Israel has not even begun reperations..."
Germany gassed Jews. Israel has not done any such thing. Genocide is a caluclated program of extermination. Are you suggesting that Israel has the aim of exterminating ANY ethnic,religious,political, or religious group? If not, you should consider rephrasing your words. If you so think this, you should prove it because it is a vile accusation.
Furthermore, German Reperations n the only area applicable (if it were even remotely so) were Deeded Property and Ban Accounts. "Palestinians" for the most part did not have deeded property. They practiced the Arab form of land ownership. They were ruled, prior to Israel, by the UK. The UYK, as does Israel practices/ed Deeded Ownership...as did Turkey the nation that controlled that land for almst half a millenia before the Brits. Since almost all Arabs there came to the land during the (last half of) the Ottoman (Turkish) Rule, they are judged according to Turkish (and by inheritance British and Israeli) standards.
Have a deed? Think Israel snatched it? Bring a lawsuit. Many have. Some have won, almost all have not because they do not have actual deeds.
"4 million refugees." Of which almost all are not true refugess but offspring thereof. You obviously feel that they should haver the "Right of Reurn." Luckily for Israel International Law does not agee with you.
"Ar,ed racists. Raicsm..You mean like making blanket statements of a vile nature about an entire People? Hmmm...
Fact is, Jew and Arab are not only of the same exact race but the same exact sub classification as well. Ergo, how could one be truly racist about one's own self?
More to the point, demonstrate one racist action on the part of the State?
Careful with semantics, you seem to be suggesting that Israel feels it does not need to abdide by the Nuremburg Rulings. This is patently not true and quite offencive. I did say that Nuremburg is not the analogy that even remotely fits this dynamic. Nothing Israel does is either racist or institutionalised.
I am admittredly at a handicap in English but even I can easily recognise your improper phrasing: "Vistor's justice." The phrase suggest justice as considred by the victorious in WWII. Jews did not win anything and Nuremburg was not a Jewish affair. It was an Allies versus German affair. Totally different.
"You diusgust me." Is it not so very telling that i choose to only adress your comments, and you choose to focus on your perception of me as a person? Attacking the person instead of the argument is grade school nonsense. i would hope that you might be able to demonstrate even a minimum of civility.
Funny how Israel and its people are charcterised as hateful and unwilling to accept diversity and here we have an Israeli not resorting to ugliness even when called vile insults. Something to think about.
YMU: I hesitate to engage someone insulting me as a person but have to ask, how would you ever be able to call me a "Holocaust Denier"?
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Israel reserves the right to use the capital letter Rach; it even reserves the right to use the term "holocaust", but Israel's eternal victimhood does not remove the right of the Armenians to use the term and nor does it remove the right of the Palestinians to name their own tragedy.
The Jewish term for the Holocaust is Shoah; the Palestinian term for their initial dispossession, the beginng of their ongoing holocaust, is Nakba. Both translate as "disaster".
You are an apologist for genocide and a denier of holocausts. You disgust me.
The Jewish term for the Holocaust is Shoah; the Palestinian term for their initial dispossession, the beginng of their ongoing holocaust, is Nakba. Both translate as "disaster".
You are an apologist for genocide and a denier of holocausts. You disgust me.
YMU: "Israel reserves the right to use the capital letter "H" with regards to the Holocaust." Um, no it does not. The Holocaust was not comprised of entirely Jewish victims. Most were non-Jewish although Jews comprised the largest demographic and the demographic for whom the genocidal component of the event was engineered for specifically.
The world uses the capital letter "H" because the term was coined for that specific event in terms of its application with regard to genocide. In addition, the genocide within was effected the most people of any one specific demographic making the event singular in that perspective.
Israel was not founded because of the Holocaust. Modern Zionism began almost 100 years before the first Nazi. The event happened at the very end of the Zionist struggle.
The Armenians were the victims of Turkish violence as well but it was not a manufactured effort as in Nazi Germany., There were no concaves and official paperwork. There was no industry specifically tailored around it. Finally, compare the loss of life between the two.
As for "Palestinians," not even remotely close. No "PAlestinians" are being butchered. not one. You might have anonymous people claming that IDF bullets have killed an inncoent "Palestinian" but no proof exists in a place innundated with surveillance of all kinds. Media saturation and attention is highest in Israel and the so called "Territories" than in any other place on Earth and that is a fact. Yet, we have not an inkling of evidence for any such claims.
Claims of genocide need to be substantiated or they chealen the victimhood of all. Jews have no deed on victimisation although no other group has been persecuted for nearly as long as the Jews. All groups are vulnerable to genocide and to suffering but one must use the proper terminology or the event loses depth and meaning .
Did the Germans and allies officialy meet to discuss exterminating Jews? Yes.
Did the Germans and allies purposely execute women and children (?Jewish in this case)? Yes.
Did the Germans inter (Jews among others) women and children in brutal prison camps? Yes.
Did the Germans gas Jewish women and children? Yes.
Did the Germans take Jewish infants, remove their skin and turn them into wallets and lampshades? Yes.
Did the Germans inject blue sye into the eyes of Jews, primarily infants? Yes.
Did the Germans put Jewish infants into freezers to see how low of a temp. they could endure? Yes.
Did they do the same in ovens? Yes.
Did they do many, many other things in similar vein to Jews? Yes.
Did Israel or Jews do ANY of this to "Palestinians?" NEVER.
Stop using the word in relation to Israel or Jews and stop calling them Nazis.
The world uses the capital letter "H" because the term was coined for that specific event in terms of its application with regard to genocide. In addition, the genocide within was effected the most people of any one specific demographic making the event singular in that perspective.
Israel was not founded because of the Holocaust. Modern Zionism began almost 100 years before the first Nazi. The event happened at the very end of the Zionist struggle.
The Armenians were the victims of Turkish violence as well but it was not a manufactured effort as in Nazi Germany., There were no concaves and official paperwork. There was no industry specifically tailored around it. Finally, compare the loss of life between the two.
As for "Palestinians," not even remotely close. No "PAlestinians" are being butchered. not one. You might have anonymous people claming that IDF bullets have killed an inncoent "Palestinian" but no proof exists in a place innundated with surveillance of all kinds. Media saturation and attention is highest in Israel and the so called "Territories" than in any other place on Earth and that is a fact. Yet, we have not an inkling of evidence for any such claims.
Claims of genocide need to be substantiated or they chealen the victimhood of all. Jews have no deed on victimisation although no other group has been persecuted for nearly as long as the Jews. All groups are vulnerable to genocide and to suffering but one must use the proper terminology or the event loses depth and meaning .
Did the Germans and allies officialy meet to discuss exterminating Jews? Yes.
Did the Germans and allies purposely execute women and children (?Jewish in this case)? Yes.
Did the Germans inter (Jews among others) women and children in brutal prison camps? Yes.
Did the Germans gas Jewish women and children? Yes.
Did the Germans take Jewish infants, remove their skin and turn them into wallets and lampshades? Yes.
Did the Germans inject blue sye into the eyes of Jews, primarily infants? Yes.
Did the Germans put Jewish infants into freezers to see how low of a temp. they could endure? Yes.
Did they do the same in ovens? Yes.
Did they do many, many other things in similar vein to Jews? Yes.
Did Israel or Jews do ANY of this to "Palestinians?" NEVER.
Stop using the word in relation to Israel or Jews and stop calling them Nazis.
Shoah does not mean "disaster." It means "destruction." Ashkenazi Jewry was almost "destroyed." "Palestinians" equate "disaster" with being forced to live in other Arab nations, oir in lands they refuse to govern themselves. Big difference. Sometimes semantics matter. You might want to recheck whoever is doing your translation because your Arabic is wrong as well. Nachba means "chaos" or "terrible event." Guess that is synonymous with "disaster" in English but it is not in Arabic.
As for you being disgusted, one could argue that it is disgusting to equate Checkpoints and curfews with poison gas showers but that is neither here noir there since, as I have reminded you, it is not about you nor I, but about a paticular subject. Pleasde keep focused.
As for you being disgusted, one could argue that it is disgusting to equate Checkpoints and curfews with poison gas showers but that is neither here noir there since, as I have reminded you, it is not about you nor I, but about a paticular subject. Pleasde keep focused.
YMU: First off, this is not a pissing contest. It is supposed to be political discoursew ina civil manner. After you take that to heart, perhaps you might kindly tell me how I lied. Did I claim something about ADL? Best i can make out you are equting a political stance by Israel with my personal views. I am not Israel. I do not make official statements to the Turkish Govt. You stated that Jews believe they have cornered the market on victimhood and I said no, they had not. I explained just why the Holocaust is capitalised,etc. Please, get focused.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
see we have this rule in the ME forums it goes liek this there will be no engaugement with Rach the liar until such time as they anwer specific questions placed to them which they have as of yet failed utterly to answer not by virtue of them being and impossiblity but by virtue of them lying and wriggling and obfiscating....
Please all do not enguage on any level with the poster troll rachamim18
Please all do not enguage on any level with the poster troll rachamim18
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GarfieldLeChat said:
I think forum users should listen to this. Why are people still engaging with this liar? Should forum users be allowed to post unmitigated bullshit and get away with it?
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rachamim18 said:
Perhaps I can answer that....
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