Israel - Proof Of How They Continue To Play The Eternal Victim

[Spion]

Whichever way you try to cut it, that land was lived on and worked by around 700,000 Arabs who left their homes as refugees and were barred from returning because of their ethnicity. No weasel words about Ottoman forms of landholding or how the Palestinians are somehow not a real nation can alter the fact that those people were ethnically cleansed on a massive scale.

It makes me angry, and I'm from 2,500 miles away. God knows, if I had suffered directly and seen my parents and grandparents suffer I would devote my life to avenging that. The Jews don't deserve the Zionists.

 

[rachamim18]

Minkia: "Now Israel does an about face and decides it is time for a cease fire." What? You got that one wrong. In fact, Our Security Cabinet iN ABOUT 3 to push for an expansion of the ground war. Today [or should say yesterday already] they redeployed the one Active Brigade still not seeing any action up north [Givati] from Gaza, and they will be on the ground tomorrow. Their buses should be hitting Avivim as I post this. The last thing Israel wants is a cease fire.


Wookster: I suggest you study Israel and its people a bit. Israel is not a homogenous society. Jews are the majority but far from the only ethnic group. Sudanese, Ethiopian [non-Jewish], Druse, Bedua, Arab, Circassian, European christains, Armenains, Greeks, and so on and in all these years Israel has only been guilty of ethnically cleansing 20 odd Arab villages in its border areas just after a war where the villagers sided against Israel [not that it justifies it, just provides the proper context in which to see it].

If Israel was out to ethnically cleanse and seize land, why did it cede Gaza? Why is leaving the so called "West Bank" in less than 18 months? Why did it cede Sinai?

"What planet am I on? " You know very little of Israel and its people as I have stated before. Those choosing to retirn numbered less than 30,000. They could have easily been absorbed had ALL been willing to meet the requirement. In reality, only approximately 12,000 did so and it certainly did NOT mean the end of the state. You are confusing this issue with the so called "Palestinian Right of Return." Please do get your facts straight.

Hipipol: Your allusions to Nazi practices are nothing but hateful nonsense. In fact, your gereralistion of Israelis makes you as guilty as you imagine the Israelis to be.

 

[tbaldwin]

If you choose to live on stolen land, ie as a thief, then you can hardly expect security can you?

Bomb Sydney.....

 

[Spion]

Israel has only been guilty of ethnically cleansing 20 odd Arab villages in its border areas just after a war where the villagers sided against Israel [not that it justifies it, just provides the proper context in which to see it].

It is clearly a very contentious matter of history, but by any reckoning your tally of '20-odd Arab villages just aftert a war', is callous and inaccurate to a great degree. Not only that, you also ignore the Zionist terrorist and their bombing campaigns

 

[moono]

NEW YORK - The National Director of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), Abraham Foxman, accused United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan on Tuesday of demonstrating "blatant one-sidedness" in his comments about Israel's war against Hezbollah in Lebanon.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/748265.html

Ah. They've decided to attack the Secretary-General.

 

[TomUS]

Only those that had abandoned their land were asked to take a loaylty oath which amounted to an acknowledgement of citizenship and pacification....As I also mentiond, and you obviously ignored, those that opted NOT to do so were then offered fair renumeration under UN supervision.

So, they had a chance to return & didn't & were offered compensation & refused it? Please provide more info about this. I hadn't heard this before.

 

[rachamim18]

Spion: The number I posted is actually the true number. The last one was cleansed in 53.

I did not "discount" any terrorism, you did not raise the issue so why would I offer rebuttal on it? In fact, terrorism in the region began in 1920 with the Arabs. Jews did not respond in kind until 1936. From 36 to 47 they did commit heinous and despicable acts of terror. Unlike Arabs though, the Jewish mainstream rejected these crimes to the point of turning in perpertrators.


Tom: I have posted so many times on it. I am not where I keep notes, etc., and will be going back north in 4 hours. When I come back, please remmind me if noone else has done it, and I will provide you with details.

 

[ZAMB]

Amira Hass, an Israeli reporter, agrees that Israel continues to play the eternal victim.

Thirty-eight years of Israeli occupation of the Palestinian nation have accustomed generations of Israelis to regard the Palestinians as inferior, and therefore not as deserving as we are. But hush, one must not say that out loud, because Israelis will raise an indignant cry: "How can you compare?"

In the same way, it is forbidden to demand of us - with diplomatic threats - to change our ways. Because then we will remind them of our people who were murdered.

This widely covered event shows that Israel has turned the liquidation of Europe's Jews into an asset. Our murdered relatives are being enlisted to enable Israel to continue not giving a damn about international decisions against the occupation. The suffering our parents endured in the ghettoes and concentration camps that filled Europe, the physical and mental anguish and torment that our parents were subjected to every single day since the "liberation," are used as weapons to thwart any international criticism of the society we are creating here. This is a society with built-in discrimination on the basis of nationality, and the discrimination is spreading on either side of the Green Line. This is a society that is systematically continuing to banish the Palestinian nation from its land and usurp its rights as a nation and its chances for a humane future.

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=7490

I know I quoted this article on the 'reporters' thread, but it seemed to fit in with this topic.

 

[TomUS]

Tom: I have posted so many times on it. I am not where I keep notes, etc., and will be going back north in 4 hours. When I come back, please remmind me if noone else has done it, and I will provide you with details.

We don't agree on everything. But on this, good luck & good hunting.