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Israel/Gaza: UK crackdown and backlash

I may be quite naive, but I've become more and more puzzled over the last year over why exactly both UK governments have been so forgiving of the Israeli government's actions. I understand the Hamas attack last October was bad, but it doesn't appear uniquely bad in the whole context. I understand that British firms make lots of money from selling the Israelis arms. I also understand British PMs have long been terrified of veering from the American line on such global policies.

But I don't get why they've picked a side in a conflict which has no likeable characters (I'm referring to the governments of Israel, Iran, Lebanon, Hamas, Hezbollah and others, not the citizens those groups purport to represent).
 
stavros said:
I may be quite naive, but I've become more and more puzzled over the last year over why exactly both UK governments have been so forgiving of the Israeli government's actions. I understand the Hamas attack last October was bad, but it doesn't appear uniquely bad in the whole context. I understand that British firms make lots of money from selling the Israelis arms. I also understand British PMs have long been terrified of veering from the American line on such global policies.

But I don't get why they've picked a side in a conflict which has no likeable characters (I'm referring to the governments of Israel, Iran, Lebanon, Hamas, Hezbollah and others, not the citizens those groups purport to represent).
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Hezbollah have mps and ministries so they actually do represent people. There are no likeable people in the UK govt btw
 
teqniq said:
Just WTF do the Met think they are doing here? Absolute fucking clowns:

www.middleeasteye.net

UK police arrest Israeli academic Haim Bresheeth after pro-Palestine speech

Retired Jewish professor arrested for alleged support of a 'proscribed organisation' after he said 'Israel cannot win against Hamas'
www.middleeasteye.net www.middleeasteye.net
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Disgusting by the Met. He speaks the truth. Israel cannot kill its way out of the genocide it is committing. It's over but too racist and too stupid to realise it.
 
stavros said:
I may be quite naive, but I've become more and more puzzled over the last year over why exactly both UK governments have been so forgiving of the Israeli government's actions.
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In the past there was a reason.

Take the Suez crisis. UK and France found an ally in Israel.

I also find it a question I cant answer.

Cold war is over. Britain is no longer an Empire. So what is the rational foreign policy reason to have this close relationship with Israel?
 
Gramsci said:
In the past there was a reason.

Take the Suez crisis. UK and France found an ally in Israel.

I also find it a question I cant answer.

Cold war is over. Britain is no longer an Empire. So what is the rational foreign policy reason to have this close relationship with Israel?
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They are the policeman of the middle east (it has been said many times before) for the vested interests of the west. Not in any way a fair and unbiased actor. However that may very soon unravel; subsequently the UK and the US etc may end up with nothing save for a very large bill.
 
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Thread by @JustJewsUK on Thread Reader App

@JustJewsUK: UPDATE from Yosefa, Haim's wife: The arrest was for supposedly supporting “proscribed organisations.” Haim is the son of Holocaust survivors: his father survived Aucshwitz and Gusen - a subcamp of Matha...…
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Went on to speak at a protest Nov 8th (Youtube vid will not display here as loading on other sites has been disabled)

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It's ok, conspiracism is fine if you identify as "working class" :thumbs: Plus that article and whole substack is only readable if you pay. Great stuff.

(I can't help wondering, if I had news I thought the whole world should hear, why I wouldn't publish it for free?)
 
pbsmooth said:
is that a reliable source?

author's twitter profile is banging on about Epstein and Trump being a pedophile, while saying the US foreign policy is controlled by Israel...
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You're not going to be able to read it anyway unless someone has achived the non pay to view version. Having read quite a few of his pieces , he does not come across as a deranged conspiracy theorist and that article is based on legitimate FOI requests. Wrt to Trump and Epstien I would be surprised if he is not on the 'list'. Whether he would have ordered a strike against Iran to distract though is a big ask. As for Israel contolling US foreign policy a substantial number of US politicians are bought and paid for by AIPAC so I think it is fair to say they have some influence but in any case a lot of what the US does in the middle east is very much in self interest, which aligns with Israel.
 
Possibly, I'm sorry I can't remember for sure. It's a shame the guy made his site subscription only. I looked to see if someone had archived it before he did so but no joy.
 
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