Israel/Gaza: UK crackdown and backlash

[Elpenor]

Sunak the despicable shit has released this statement:

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Trying desperately to spin it that there was violence from 'Hamas sympathisers'. What an absolute scumbag.

Reads like a pre-prepared anti March statement hastily amended to add “EDL thugs”

 

[teqniq]

He is indeed. I'm reminded of Trump's "both sides" speech.

The same has been observed by Mr. Maugham:

 

[Wilf]

Sunak the despicable shit has released this statement:

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Trying desperately to spin it that there was violence from 'Hamas sympathisers'. What an absolute scumbag.

Even when the day went, in every respect, against what he hoped - peaceful apart from the fash - he still manages to lie. Perhaps he isn't going to sack Cruella after all, he looks to have joined her. Particularly with his 'I will be meeting the commissioner' sign off.

 

[teqniq]

Even when the day went, in every respect, against what he hoped - peaceful apart from the fash - he still manages to lie. Perhaps he isn't going to sack Cruella after all, he looks to have joined her. Particularly with his 'I will be meeting the commissioner' sign off.

Maybe he should sack himself.

 

[hitmouse]

Sunak the despicable shit has released this statement:

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Trying desperately to spin it that there was violence from 'Hamas sympathisers'. What an absolute scumbag.

Read at face value, that sentence would seem to suggest that there were EDL attending the Palestine march. Can't have thought there would be that many of them.

 

[Wilf]

I suspect we'll see the claims of antisemitic chants being downgraded over the next couple of days when challenged. Ditto the Hamas clothing, unless they have photos of what will be one individual.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I suspect we'll see the claims of antisemitic chants being downgraded over the next couple of days when challenged.

There was plenty of 'from the river to the sea' chants, which is not ideal.

Ditto the Hamas clothing, unless they have photos of what will be one individual.

I've seen the photo of those wearing the Hamas head bands, there was TWO of them!

 

[Dogsauce]

I suspect we'll see the claims of antisemitic chants being downgraded over the next couple of days when challenged. Ditto the Hamas clothing, unless they have photos of what will be one individual.

There is a photo going round of two people in Hamas headbands, though I guess it could be from something else (has an Express newspaper watermark so fairly likely to be legit)

 

[fucthest8]

Sunak the despicable shit has released this statement:

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Trying desperately to spin it that there was violence from 'Hamas sympathisers'. What an absolute scumbag.

I think the most important thing to recognise here is the equivalence of EDL attacking police and someone carrying a pro-Hamas sign. Literally the same. Remember that next time you want to smack a cop.

 

[Wilf]

There was plenty of 'from the river to the sea' chants, which is not ideal.



I've seen the photo of those wearing the Hamas head bands, there was TWO of them!

Yeah, I just found this on the guardian site making the same point. There's debate as to its multiple meanings, though I wouldn't be that worried about it given that Israel have actually carried out it's own version and is about to burn off one of the remaining Palestinian enclaves.

The controversial chant ‘from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free’ was heard on the march. The slogan refers to the land between the Jordan River, which borders Israel on the east, and the Mediterranean Sea, which borders Israel on the west. Many Jewish people find this phrase offensive, and it is used by Hamas in their constitution.

 

[Dogsauce]

I think the most important thing to recognise here is the equivalence of EDL attacking police and someone carrying a pro-Hamas sign. Literally the same. Remember that next time you want to smack a cop.

They’re both far-right dicks tbf.

Though I wouldn’t entirely discount the hamas costume guys being ‘freepers’ doing it to discredit the march. Although genuine Hamas idiots do exist and not too unlikely there’d be a few in a several hundred thousand strong march.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Yeah, I just found this on the guardian site making the same point. There's debate as to its multiple meanings, though I wouldn't be that worried about it given that Israel have actually carried out it's own version and is about to burn off one of the remaining Palestinian enclaves.

Indeed. I wouldn't use it personally, and it's not up to me to say whether Jewish people should find it offensive. However, I can definitely see how different meanings could be attached to it. The reality is that Palestinian people currently live under occupation so it could just be seen as a desire for them to be freed from those shackles. I don't see how it equates AT ALL to the sort of violent behaviour seen today from the far right.

 

[fucthest8]

They’re both far-right dicks tbf.

Though I wouldn’t entirely discount the hamas costume guys being ‘freepers’ doing it to discredit the march. Although genuine Hamas idiots do exist and not too unlikely there’d be a few in a several hundred thousand strong march.

So, carrying a sign = assault yeah?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

There was plenty of 'from the river to the sea' chants, which is not ideal.

Along with Exist, Resist, Return banners, which reflect a similar sentiment. Why shouldn't Palestinians seek to return to the land they were turfed off? Should the refugees in Gaza content themselves with their tiny bit of desert and be grateful?

The mischaracterisation of that chant as antisemitic is something that should be pushed back against. It's not going anywhere - the organisers themselves use it - and it doesn't mean what people like Braverman claim it means.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

There is a photo going round of two people in Hamas headbands, though I guess it could be from something else (has an Express newspaper watermark so fairly likely to be legit)

Looks to me like the expression of support for Hamas has shot up from one to two people in a very short space of time. A shocking increase of 100%.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Looks to me like the expression of support for Hamas has shot up from one to two people in a very short space of time. A shocking increase of 100%.

One more and they'll be a mob.

 

[PTK]

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[Elpenor]

Just checked guardian news feed and Yvette Cooper has both sided it as well. Fuck Labour

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Just checked guardian news feed and Yvette Cooper has both sided it as well. Fuck Labour

Probably not that surprising TBF.

 

[Wilf]

Along with Exist, Resist, Return banners, which reflect a similar sentiment. Why shouldn't Palestinians seek to return to the land they were turfed off? Should the refugees in Gaza content themselves with their tiny bit of desert and be grateful?

The mischaracterisation of that chant as antisemitic is something that should be pushed back against. It's not going anywhere - the organisers themselves use it - and it doesn't mean what people like Braverman claim it means.

Always seems a bit ironic given that Palestine has actually been wiped out from the river to the sea.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Always seems a bit ironic given that Palestine has actually been wiped out from the river to the sea.

And given its historic use by vile Israeli Jewish supremacists like Likud.

Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party, which describes itself as conservative and nationalist, has been a staunch promoter of the concept of “Eretz Israel”, or the Bible-given right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel.

According to the Jewish Virtual Library, the party’s original party manifesto in 1977 stated that “between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty”. It also argued that the establishment of a Palestinian state “jeopardises the security of the Jewish population” and “endangers the existence of the state of Israel”.

‘From the river to the sea’: What does the Palestinian slogan really mean?

It is a cry for freedom, nothing more, from people who have no freedom.

 

[Red Sky]

That Corbyn, but not that Corbyn.

I saw both the Brothers Corbyn.

 

[teqniq]

This arsehole:





Give police powers to ban Pro-Palestinian protests, review to urge

 

[Kaka Tim]

How do they think they could ban half a million people taking to the streets?? You'd still have a demo, but with no Stewards, agreed route or times. I mean, careful what you wish for and all that...

 

[hitmouse]

Make a point about racism is one thing. Write a book and produce a TV series about it, that's another.

His past actions will inevitably affect the strength of any point he makes on this subject, even if it's a good one. That's supposed to happen. There are supposed to be consequences when you do something shit that causes people harm.

Since Baddiel's book has come up on recent threads twice now, seems worth mentioning that I've just found this review of it from Jewdas:

Aging Liberal Confuses Self, Blames Left – Jewdas

jewdas.org

In the eyes of its author, Jews Don’t Count is an autobiographical dissertation on the reality of antisemitism as experienced by British Jews and a peculiar “progressive” strain of this ancient hatred found on the Left. Baddiel advances a grand analysis of the antisemitism he perceives on the Left and concludes with a rallying cry for the inclusion of antisemitism in evils we must collectively fight. In reality, Jews Don’t Count has two principal uses: as a detailed post-mortem of a brain rotted by Twitter and as an illustration of the intellectual dead-end championed by liberals still dreaming of a return to the good old days of 1997.

 

[SpookyFrank]

How do they think they could ban half a million people taking to the streets?? You'd still have a demo, but with no Stewards, agreed route or times. I mean, careful what you wish for and all that...

The met couldn't even keep a hundred drunk fascists under control ffs.

 

[YouSir]

How do they think they could ban half a million people taking to the streets?? You'd still have a demo, but with no Stewards, agreed route or times. I mean, careful what you wish for and all that...

Politically I doubt they much care about the potential chaos, would just make for a great opportunity to violently assault and arrest a load of people who their core demographic are being pushed to view as Other anyway. Few smashed windows as people randomly go off is a cheap price to pay for that.

 

[cupid_stunt]

The met couldn't even keep a hundred drunk fascists under control ffs.

There was a LOT more than a hundred drunk fascists, they arrested almost 100 fairly early on, and hundreds more were still causing trouble.

 

[YouSir]

There was a LOT more than a hundred drunk fascists, they arrested almost 100 fairly early on, and hundreds more were still causing trouble.

I saw 1000~ suggested as a high end estimate, but that sounds about right tbh. 187 (I think?) arrests* for their lot which is a mad proportion really.

*Not including the ones that are coming up - seen 3 people ID'd on Twitter already for various related offences

 

[PTK]

That's high for a police estimate, Sky news has mentioned half a million on a few occasions.

The 15 February 2003 demonstration against war with Iraq:

"while Scotland Yard said there were well in excess of 750,000 in and around the Hyde Park area at 5pm on Saturday."