Israel Brings Fascist Into Government

[Udo Erasmus]

Ehud Olmert has formed a new coalition with rightwingers who openly advocate the expulsion of Israel's palestinian "citizens" from Israel into a bantustan on the occupied territory.

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article5874.shtml

"In a frightening but long expected move, Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert has brought the Yisrael Beitenu party into his coalition government. The party's leader, Avigdor Lieberman, is to be vice prime minister and, as "Minister for Strategic Threats," a key member of Israel's "security cabinet" in charge of the Iran portfolio.

Yisrael Beitenu is a dangerous extremist party with fascist tendencies that has openly advocated the "transfer" of Palestinians, including the transfer of Arab towns within Israel to a Bantustan-like future Palestinian entity. It has made clear that a Jewish supremacist state is more important than a democratic one. The party, whose strongest base is among Russian immigrants brought to Israel in the 1990s, surged at the Israeli election earlier this year, taking eleven seats in Israel's 120 seat Knesset.

Last summer, Israel launched a disastrous war of destruction against Lebanon, and continues its siege and onslaught against Palestinians in the occupied territories which has killed nearly three hundred people in three months and left hundreds of thousands without sufficient food, water and electricity. Lieberman has advocated even more harsh and criminal measures against the Palestinians and Israel's neighbors.

It is dismaying that the European Union, a key international actor, seems set to maintain warm, normal relations with this extremist government, thus giving it encouragement and legitimacy."

 

[Luther Blissett]

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[FruitandNut]

The word 'fascist' is bandied about so freely by those with gripes, that the word is losing its origional definition, meaning and political impact
- a bit like 'gay' - there were times when I felt gay, but now I would have to choose another word.

 

[nino_savatte]

The word 'fascist' is bandied about so freely by those with gripes, that the word is losing its origional definition, meaning and political impact
- a bit like 'gay' - there were times when I felt gay, but now I would have to choose another word.

I think the word "fascist" is quite applicable in this case.

 

[Luther Blissett]

People won't even look at this thread unless you ask for the title to reflect the fact that Avigdor Lieberman is a raving anti-Arab RACIST right-winger.

How about asking for the thread-title to be changed?

I think posters here are shying away from discussing what is a pivotal moment for Arab-Muslim and Arab-Christian and Arab-Jewish rights in Israel when terms like 'fascist' are used.

 

[TomUS]

Bad move, Israel. Both sides must compromise, not become more extreme. This guy looks like the Israeli equivalent of Hamas.

 

[rachamim18]

The party is a long way from fascist which you would know Udo if you happened to rely on any objective sources, or at least attempted to season your opinion by taking in other sources. Electronic Intifadeh says it all in its "name."

The reason why Kadimah took the party into coallition is because with the recent action in Lebanon it is a certainty that the hard right would unseat Kadimah in national elections. In doing what it has done, Kadimah has taken alot of the wind from the rightists sails and is trying to buy time as it wards off a great deal of internal scandal and dissent in the party.

As for "expelling 'Palestinians'," any person or entity advocating such a move in concrete terms would find themselves in prison. I suggest you acquaint yourself with Israel's Hate Law which happens to be the strongest of any nation in existence. Over 400 Israeli Jews , including a 14 year old girl, currently sit in prisons for advocating such nonsense.


Funny though that you parrot a claim that the EU is wrong in maintaining relations with Israel under this development considering the Charters of all major "Palestinian" groups and parties call for genocide and utter destruction [of Israel, and in the case of HAMAS and PIJ World Jewry].

 

[nino_savatte]

The party is a long way from fascist which you would know Udo if you happened to rely on any objective sources, or at least attempted to season your opinion by taking in other sources. Electronic Intifadeh says it all in its "name."

The reason why Kadimah took the party into coallition is because with the recent action in Lebanon it is a certainty that the hard right would unseat Kadimah in national elections. In doing what it has done, Kadimah has taken alot of the wind from the rightists sails and is trying to buy time as it wards off a great deal of internal scandal and dissent in the party.

As for "expelling 'Palestinians'," any person or entity advocating such a move in concrete terms would find themselves in prison. I suggest you acquaint yourself with Israel's Hate Law which happens to be the strongest of any nation in existence. Over 400 Israeli Jews , including a 14 year old girl, currently sit in prisons for advocating such nonsense.


Funny though that you parrot a claim that the EU is wrong in maintaining relations with Israel under this development considering the Charters of all major "Palestinian" groups and parties call for genocide and utter destruction [of Israel, and in the case of HAMAS and PIJ World Jewry].

Oh and I beg to differ, friend...any party that advocates ethnic superiority and militarism is fascist in mine or anyone's book. Just because you are Jewish doesn't mean to say that you can't be a fascist. You can.

Kadimah is nothing more or less than Likud Mk II. Likud will eventually fall apart and its members will join Kadimah or one of the more extreme (as compared to Likud)smaller parties.

Nice bit of narrative there too. Keep up the good work.

 

[nino_savatte]

People won't even look at this thread unless you ask for the title to reflect the fact that Avigdor Lieberman is a raving anti-Arab RACIST right-winger.

How about asking for the thread-title to be changed?

I think posters here are shying away from discussing what is a pivotal moment for Arab-Muslim and Arab-Christian and Arab-Jewish rights in Israel when terms like 'fascist' are used.

Ah, but Liberman is little different to your average fascist...well, Nazi really.

 

[invisibleplanet]

Ah, but Liberman is little different to your average fascist...well, Nazi really.

I invoke Godwins law.
You lose the argument.

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: Being Jewish and being fascist are certainly not mutually exclusive, however, have you even read the party's platform? KACH is an example I believe would actually fit your idea a little better but of course as you should know, such sentiments are banned under Israel's Hate Law.

Per Kadimah, again, have you read the Platform? Kadimah is alot different from Likud in many ways. It is truly a Centrist party. Likud has never, and will never, agree to ceding land to Arabs. This of course is the central tenet to Kadimah's Platform.

Likud will never fall apart because it holds a certain allure for a fair sized demographic, as the Republicans do in America and the Tories do there in your homeland.

Thank you for the compliment though...What have you done with Nino?

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: Being Jewish and being fascist are certainly not mutually exclusive, however, have you even read the party's platform? KACH is an example I believe would actually fit your idea a little better but of course as you should know, such sentiments are banned under Israel's Hate Law.

Per Kadimah, again, have you read the Platform? Kadimah is alot different from Likud in many ways. It is truly a Centrist party. Likud has never, and will never, agree to ceding land to Arabs. This of course is the central tenet to Kadimah's Platform.

Likud will never fall apart because it holds a certain allure for a fair sized demographic, as the Republicans do in America and the Tories do there in your homeland.

Thank you for the compliment though...What have you done with Nino?

I've read kadima's platform and it is little different to Likud's. Likud's days are numbered and Kadima are now the true inheritors of the Jabotinsky 'legacy'.

As for fascistic sentiments being banned under Israel's hate Law, as with all laws there are ways to circumvent and even deny one's true sentiments. Ethnic superiority remains the order of the day and so long as crazy Zionists are running the show, that will remain the case.

What "compliment"? Lay off the hallucenogenics, friend.

 

[nino_savatte]

I invoke Godwins law.
You lose the argument.

Sod off.

Oh and whose side are you on btw? How do you see Liberman? Is he, in your mind, a liberal? I didn't call rach a "Nazi" either, so how is Godwin's Law applicable? Furthermore, what is your point?

 

[Lock&Light]

Sod off.

That sort of answer proves nino has lost the argument, without any need to invoke Godwin's Law.

 

[nino_savatte]

Pay attention, fuckwit

Lock&Light
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[rachamim18]

I knew that Nino was still there!!!!!

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Isn't there a plausible argument that the whole revisionist movement was fascist from Jabotinsky onwards?

 

[rachamim18]

The argument is false. Uniforms and military bearing does not make one a fascist.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Nor admiration for Mussolini?

I mean, dressing in brown shirts and walking funny *might* be a fashion statement, but doing so while openly admiring Mussolini seems to give weight to that argument.

Didn't Jabotinsky found the IDF?

Wasn't he Begin's and Sharon's big hero?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

All this does not mean that any kind of agreement is impossible, only a voluntary agreement is impossible. As long as there is a spark of hope that they can get rid of us, they will not sell these hopes, not for any kind of sweet words or tasty morsels, because they are not a rabble but a nation, perhaps somewhat tattered, but still living. A living people makes such enormous concessions on such fateful questions only when there is no hope left. Only when not a single breach is visible in the iron wall, only then do extreme groups lose their sway, and influence transfers to moderate groups. Only then would these moderate groups come to us with proposals for mutual concessions. And only then will moderates offer suggestions for compromise on practical questions like a guarantee against expulsion, or equality and national autonomy.

source

Do please explain rachamim18 why this does not mean what is seems to mean.

 

[nino_savatte]

I knew that Nino was still there!!!!!

Meaning what, precisely?

 

[nino_savatte]

The argument is false. Uniforms and military bearing does not make one a fascist.

Didn't Jabotinsky open communications between his movement and the Nazis? I think he did and so desperate was he to overthrow the British, he was prepared to go to the Nazis for assistance.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend - huh?

 

[jaxe]

(Gasp!) Did he say... (wispered)fascist?

-Fascism? I thought we stomped out that nonsense years ago....

-Well, according to Udo, its still alive and well.

-Bad habits die hard I guess...

(was that what you wanted, Udo? you're very welcome.)