Islamists To Blow Up Sears Tower?
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scott_forester
probably talking shite
FridgeMagnet said:
Apprantly they are facing 80 years each.
The "Nation of Islam" has nothing to see with Islam.
It is a racist political and "typical US" organisation that borrowed some quotes from the Bible and from Al Qur'an (maybe from some other relgious books too and probably most of their members have no clue where what comes from originally) and in addition they invent their own "interpretations" to all that too.
As far as I know they are - among others - convinced the "white race" is the product of a laboratory experiment and somewhere in space there is a spaceship waiting to come and collect the NOI members.
salaam.
It is a racist political and "typical US" organisation that borrowed some quotes from the Bible and from Al Qur'an (maybe from some other relgious books too and probably most of their members have no clue where what comes from originally) and in addition they invent their own "interpretations" to all that too.
As far as I know they are - among others - convinced the "white race" is the product of a laboratory experiment and somewhere in space there is a spaceship waiting to come and collect the NOI members.
salaam.
Not apostates since they are not "Muslim" but in their own deluded minds.
Aside from all that (and as far as I am informed) they did/do some good work too when "recruting" people who live "at the edge" of society (and for example in prisons), but the same can be said of Christians who are that convincing to non- believers that they drop drug and alcohol abuse (the same can be said from the AA too.)
I just don't see any reason why on earth this US organisation was so compelled to use the word "Islam" in its name. But then, "islam" isn't a registred TM so I suppose (especially in US mindset) anyone can use it and abuse it freely.
salaam.
Aside from all that (and as far as I am informed) they did/do some good work too when "recruting" people who live "at the edge" of society (and for example in prisons), but the same can be said of Christians who are that convincing to non- believers that they drop drug and alcohol abuse (the same can be said from the AA too.)
I just don't see any reason why on earth this US organisation was so compelled to use the word "Islam" in its name. But then, "islam" isn't a registred TM so I suppose (especially in US mindset) anyone can use it and abuse it freely.
salaam.
Johnny Canuck3
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ViolentPanda said:
That McVeigh dude didn't look like the sharpest tack in the drawer to me.
FridgeMagnet
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Juan Cole on the arrests:
http://www.juancole.com/2006/06/cair-miami-cult-not-muslims-i-just-saw.html
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Ah, another irrelevancy introduced courtesy of the Canuck.
The point is that manufacturing an ANFO bomb isn't as simple as assembling "...some bags of fertilizer, a few gallons of gas, and a delivery truck", which you saw fit to imply.
The reality is that the process is more complex, and that one needs to know what one is doing (and have a relatively secluded place to do it) rather than having to be a "sharp tack" or even an industrial chemist to carry the process out.
Nice attempt at distracting attention from your inane comment though. Pity it didn't work.
And lo! the Chicago Sun-Times:
So Dad's a preacher-man and somewhat theologically confused (my underlining). Son's gone one better.
If true, this lot resemble the conspiraloons more than they do any religion with history.
Moorish Science Temple of America, Inc.:
http://www.moorish * science * templeofamerica * inc.com/
So Dad's a preacher-man and somewhat theologically confused (my underlining). Son's gone one better.
If true, this lot resemble the conspiraloons more than they do any religion with history.
Moorish Science Temple of America, Inc.:
http://www.moorish * science * templeofamerica * inc.com/
woof jessiedog!Jessiedog said:I love the idea of an "accidental posting".
Like "accidently writing a letter".
Or "accidently playing a tune".
But I don't think it's fair to demand another whole pound of flesh.
Woof
Try not posting for a week, and you'll understand!
It goes something like - first couple days - hah, who needs urban75, this is easy. Next day - maybe I'll just browse a thread or two. Next day - let's just browse a thread again. Only this time you forget you have exiled yourself, and 'accidentally' reply to a post
warren said:
well they are christians, so the black muslim angle is not worth debating.
around 4:53mins --
"why do you call yourselves[refering to the Seas of David members] soldiers"
"because we study and train through the bible"
and
neighbor claims of the Seas of David were a Christiain sect, they are not Muslim.
Ms Phanor, sister of Stanley Grant Phanor, one of those arrested, denied that her brother had any terror links.
"They're labelling him something that he's not," she told Miami's WSVN TV station. "He's... no terrorist; he's in a religious group that's trying to support the community."
"It's all a show, they're scaring people, there's nothing to be scared at all," Ms Phanor told the AFP news agency
"There's less than meets the eye here," said his public defender Jimmy Hardy. "The only al Qaeda person was the undercover guy."
Undercover agent being al-qaeda person. NOOOOOOO. i just dont believe it
spring-peeper
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spring-peeper said:
I would estimate thousands, though the definition is a bit porous.
Free market ideology + religion = all conceivable theological niches filled.
There are parts of Black neighbourhoods in the cities where every couple of blocks there's a storefront church that's separate from all others. Some are nuttier than others. The sects with White congregations are generally larger, more centralised and richer.
spring-peeper
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No wonder that the government want to keep tabs on their citizens.
It must be difficult, especially where there is no clear line between "terrorism" and "treason". If you define terrorism as coming from outside your country, then these people are not terrorists. If you define terrorism as coming from a specific religion, then they are terrorists.
I really hope that they don't give the illusion that they are basing on religion.
It must be difficult, especially where there is no clear line between "terrorism" and "treason". If you define terrorism as coming from outside your country, then these people are not terrorists. If you define terrorism as coming from a specific religion, then they are terrorists.
I really hope that they don't give the illusion that they are basing on religion.
david dissadent
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I concour. The crowd seem as Islamic as David Icke.Aldebaran said:
Johnny Canuck3
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ViolentPanda said:
But my point is that McVeigh, not too sharp a guy, managed to do just that. I'm assuming, of course, that you know who he is.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Johnny Canuck2 said:
And your point is still irrelevant to your specious claim that "...all they'd need to take it to the next level, are some bags of fertilizer, a few gallons of gas, and a delivery truck", a claim that is wildly inaccurate.
Whatever irrelevancies you care to introduce (and most people know you're a past-master at doing so), the fact that you were talking bollocks doesn't change.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Partly a function of US history as well - in truth there are few places where one is as free to found and practice a faith as one sees fit as in the US.
This lot just sound like another bunch of random nutters in the tradition of McVeigh, Unabomber, serial killers etc etc...
spring-peeper
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Aldebaran said:
I interpreted the post differently. I read kyser_soze's and other similar posts as criticizing the Americans and their way of thinking/acting.
imo of course.
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