see what they don't realise is that it alienates people against them. you get people like moono and aldebaran on urban who present the plights of the palestianians generally (though not always) with reasonable arguments, good manners when challenged (as opposed to attacked), and reliable sources. i still don't necessarily agree with them though. then you get this shower who are full of lies, propaganda, and bullshit. so rather than have conversations i'll jsut take the side of the people who aren't being cunts.
this attitude does the ordinary folks of israel a disservice though, and i certainly don';t want to ally my opinions to islamic fundamentalists any more than i would zionists. fuck the lot of them. what i want is to find a fair answer that treats all human beings as equals and doesn't include all the evils being done in the area right now (by both sides).