A counter demo for a few loons?
Islam4UK and the March for Sharia Oct 31st
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A counter demo for a few loons?
Badger Kitten
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If I organised a counter demo for every troll - on or offline - who irritated me with their posturing logic-free out-there lunatic obnoxious attention-seeking drivel, I would get placard-fatigue and never have time to go for a piss, let alone work.
invisibleplanet
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It would have to be a clown demo. They'd be wearing clown costumes and over-acting mime with clown-fear and making clown-retaliations towards Choudary and his gang, make more noise than Choudary, you know clown-stuff.
FridgeMagnet
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The world is full of loons. The Westboro Baptists were apparently going to come over here and wake placards; they weren't worth bothering with either. Neither group were going to, say, march in numbers through an area trying to start (and starting) fights with the residents based on their ethnic background.
Fedayn
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Hmmm... You may get your chance.
There's a 'terrace culture' website I go on that has started some interesting threads re EDL. There's a few on there who both claim and from what I know have certainly been on recent EDL demos. Somke of them are now arguing that they should approach feminist groups, gay organisations, Peter Tatchell and, wait for it, both familes of victims and survivors of the July 05 bombings....
FridgeMagnet
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...who will all tell them to fuck off.
Fedayn
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I would assume so yes, but Tatchell, given his previous flirtation with some anti-Sharia groups might umm and aaah first.
The point is though that unlike the BNP and NF who wouldn't touch these groups, which also include some Sikh, Hindu and Jewish groups, the more 'far sighted' among the EDL are sdeeing a different picture. There's certainly 'suppoert' of some of the more 'ardent' sikh and Hindu groups. There's certainly individual Jewish people acting on the alleged sympathy for Israel.
Shame if they did. A real missed chance id say.
If some edl supporters want to make alliances with gay people or black people it will be a really good thing in my view.
Some of the stuff they are saying eg opposing sharia law is OK but they also support reactionary stuff like the Royle family.
The more they open up to people the less the reactionary elements will be able to push them rightwards....
Personally id like people like the edl to move towards class based left wing politics and away from just winding up a few clowns..
They're just football hooligans who haven't thought things though, they are hardly genuinely progressive civic nationalists (sometthing I think there is real space for in Britain right now)
so fine fox .. but urban politics is a political discussion forum .. how can you discuss something if you don't post it up??? if iyho it is irrelevent or whatever then say so and argue your case .. i am still after several months not exactly sure abut either al muj or edl frankly
FridgeMagnet
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I'd like it if the Tories turned into independent libertarian communists or something but, given that that's not why anybody's there, that's not very likely either.
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CyberRose
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The EDL are also "a few loons", yet the UAF and assorted leftists feel the need to demonstrate against them because of the "threat" they pose. The EDL pose no political threat, but they do pose a threat to community tensions (ie turning people against Muslims). People seem to forget (or more specifically, refuse to acknowledge) that the EDL were set up precisely as a result of the Luton Islamist demos, demos like what has been arranged for the 31st. Islamist protests therefore pose EXACTLY the same threat that EDL demos pose...so why does this go unnoticed by the majority here?
Everytime the Islamists protest unopposed, support for fascism grows. People who consider themselves "anti" fascist might want to think about that...
FridgeMagnet
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No they weren't, that's just a naive reading of the propaganda posted by a minority.
No they don't. Nobody's going to get beaten up here. There are no mass marches through minority areas by casuals with the intent of starting fights. It's three men and a dog waving a placard stuff.
They could think it was just utter bollocks. What?
Badger Kitten
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do you really think that?The EDL are the people who have lapped up every hatefilled red top column, laughed and cheered at every dogwhistle shock jock, sniggered at every end of the pier comics 'ethnic' jokes, enjoyed fantasising about slapping every 'Paki' and complaining about every 'asylum-seeker' nicking our jobs/raping our women/taking our council houses for the last 20 years.
They are flat-out old school pissed off angry frightened ignorant old fashioned racists; and Choudary and his pathetic bunch of 20 followers are just an excuse
CyberRose
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Tell me about the EDL's activities before the Luton Islamist protest, oh that's right, there weren't any because the EDL was set up by people from Luton pissed off about the Luton Islamist protest
We said the same thing, only worded slightly different...
FridgeMagnet
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no it wasn't
Badger Kitten
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I think it's fair to say that the EDL would not have gained the traction it has without crappy media scarestories
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CyberRose
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So tell me what their activities were prior to the Luton demo then...
you thought processes appear fundamentally differrent to mine .. for me when an issue arises it is crucial to talk about it .. Al Muj maybe small but there do have an affect .. as i think ghandi said ( to paraphrased)
"think of a mosquito in a darken room and tell me small things have no affect"
i try to think dialectically .. it is important we all do and your substantive point that ALMuj/Choudary/S4UK are tiny and irrelevent is legitimate and i and i am sure others have listened
some people it is simply pointlessOr put people on ignore.
you are NOT on ignore however idiotic some of your posts to me have been .. you represent a large and legitimate pov and have a deep background in this area know what is being talked about, care about this and usually argue your case semi coherently, at least
The EDL are the people who have lapped up every hatefilled red top column, laughed and cheered at every dogwhistle shock jock, sniggered at every end of the pier comics 'ethnic' jokes, enjoyed fantasising about slapping every 'Paki' and complaining about every 'asylum-seeker' nicking our jobs/raping our women/taking our council houses for the last 20 years.
They are flat-out old school pissed off angry frightened ignorant old fashioned racists; and Choudary and his pathetic bunch of 20 followers are just an excuse
when you look at all the kids on thesed demos particularly the Luton one this is simply not true however much it also attracts those types
if you look at the background of tommy robinson ( worked with black hooligan firm when in MIG ) jeff Marsh ( ditto from his book) Joel Titus ( mixed race) etc and how zionists have jumped in, it is simply not simply 'old fashioned racists' indeed any quick look a stormfront shows all the nazis frothy at the mouth over these 'zionists'
true but everyone knows what happened in Luton that day
So the Left are happy to oppose the EDL on the streets thus sparking conflict and gaining them attention, but UAF are happy to ignore this crypto fascist imposition of a religious state?
If EDL are going to do Leeds then UAF should oppose this demo instead, that would undermine EDL’s claim to be just against Islamic extremism, and show the left to oppose religious crypto-facism in all it’s guises.
The failure of the Left to tackle this issue is like it or not one of the reasons EDL exists.
If EDL are going to do Leeds then UAF should oppose this demo instead, that would undermine EDL’s claim to be just against Islamic extremism, and show the left to oppose religious crypto-facism in all it’s guises.
The failure of the Left to tackle this issue is like it or not one of the reasons EDL exists.
invisibleplanet
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it's not the same tommy robinson - that's just a pseudonym.
this isn't zionist in the usual (jewish) sense - if they do support israel it's because it suits their purpose as a place to be rid of the country's jewish population to - they're segregationists, anti-assimilationist, and nationalist, but there the similarity ends.
Silver_Fox
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Durrutti you still haven't answered the main thing I asked above.
you donlt get it do you? discussion my friend discussion .. that is what urban is ( no wrong 'SHOULD' ) be all about .. and that is what we do far little of
THERE ARE NO EASY ANSWERS!
you seem to want everyone inc me to have decided things immediately they come up ..
and simply I DO NOT KNOW WHAT I THINK ABUT WHAT TO DO WITH MR CHOUDARY
part of me wants to go and trash his roadshow .. part of me thinks that means he wins .. so carry on thinking ..
Silver_Fox
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I can't really see the point of discussing for the sake of it when it come to politics, all gets a bit wanky. There's plenty of more light hearted stuff to talk about.
I'm not asking you to do anything, I just asked a question. You should relax a little.
So basically you are clueless about what to do and just want to discuss. Fair enough.
However it makes you on slightly shakier ground when criticising others if you haven't got a clue yourself.
I'm sure you've got better things to do. Well I hope so for your sake.
I'm not asking you to do anything, I just asked a question. You should relax a little.
So basically you are clueless about what to do and just want to discuss. Fair enough.
However it makes you on slightly shakier ground when criticising others if you haven't got a clue yourself.
I'm sure you've got better things to do. Well I hope so for your sake.
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