Is Urban PPnCA a place for people to ... ?

[muckypup]

Luckily the majority of Urbanites don't feel the way you do ....

... otherwise you wouldn't be given the time of day on here

im joking. i think.

 

[gentlegreen]

You can see why us more elderly, genteel Urbanites like to frequent the gentler ambience of Mrs. Magpie's pantry

 

[nosos]

Everyone has "psychological agendas" in everything they do - it's inescapable, part of being human.

True but a psychological agenda of wanting to discuss issues that interest you, work out your views and debate them isn't particularly pernicious. An agenda of making yourself feel big by point scoring on the internet is.

 

[muckypup]

You can see why us more elderly, genteel Urbanites like to frequent the gentler ambience of Mrs. Magpie's panties

that really is so wrong

 

[gentlegreen]

You swine, that'll be appearing in searches years from now

 

[treelover]

Yeah, I was waiting for that

 

[becky p]

I'd guess because others don't see it as your last paragraph does, then it becomes all those other things, it's open to them all. I'm as annoyed as you are at just about every thread being destroyed by one person and the realted smears as well (and that fire one had already been destroyed by him - it wasn't going to suddenly spring to life other than as an OT discussion) but beyond collectively putting him on ignore i don't know what to suggest in the here-and-now. You've tried your best to keep things as political as possible. I know what you mean, the openess here is somethigt that is essential - and you'll not get it on libcom, matb or any ather board. But...

The attempt by nino to turn a tragedy like the Atherstone fire into yet another attack on durutti02,was pathetic.
But i think you can learn from reading a lot of peoples views,on urban.
I should think a lot of people do enjoy reading and contributing to the threads.
N can be quite annoying at times. But in this world many people do have psycholigal problems. And we cant just ignore them, can we?

 

[muckypup]

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[audiotech]

The attempt by nino to turn a tragedy like the Atherstone fire into yet another attack on durutti02,was pathetic.
But i think you can learn from reading a lot of peoples views,on urban.
I should think a lot of people do enjoy reading and contributing to the threads.
N can be quite annoying at times. But in this world many people do have psycholigal problems. And we cant just ignore them, can we?

I see you have a problem spelling the word psychological, so it's clear no expert on the subject then.

Your ignorant comments show what sort of debater you are.

Shameful.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

True but a psychological agenda of wanting to discuss issues that interest you, work out your views and debate them isn't particularly pernicious. An agenda of making yourself feel big by point scoring on the internet is.

i'm not sure the two are entirely sepeate issues are they?

one seeks to educate or debate ideas the other surely is borne from feeling disempowered usually about those ideas or the process of achiving those ideas and making an attempt to reestablish the powerbase in their favour.

 

[durruti02]

To "actually debate constructively political ideas and practice" you need to answer difficult questions and not evade them, lose your rag, or behave like some spoilt brat.

I'm still waiting for an answer to the question I put to durruti some time ago:

How do migrants fit into your slogan "local jobs for local people"?

Well?

precisely what i am talking about .. it is not true that this has not been answered (indeed i am critiscised precisely for 'going on about it') and second it is off topic

MC why do you come on urban politics? you do not ever seem to propose anything of any interest,any new ways forward etc .. you seem happy to merely respond but sadly usually negatively .. maybe you are just happy with the left as it is and if so fair play but i fundamentally disagree ..

 

[audiotech]

MC why do you come on urban politics?

To ask difficult questions and explode myths like believing you can build a movement of disparate forces on an obscure forum.

 

[nosos]

To ask difficult questions and explode myths like believing you can build a movement of disparate forces on an obscure forum.

Somone has a high opinion of themselves

(MC5 - asks the questions other people aren't capable of asking and explodes the myths other people don't dare to touch )

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Somone has a high opinion of themselves

(MC5 - asks the questions other people aren't capable of asking and explodes the myths other people don't dare to touch )

they call them the inquisitive bommber down in 'nam, totten'am

 

[nosos]

i'm not sure the two are entirely sepeate issues are they?

one seeks to educate or debate ideas the other surely is borne from feeling disempowered usually about those ideas or the process of achiving those ideas and making an attempt to reestablish the powerbase in their favour.

In a manner of speaking, yes, though it functions at a different level. Once you get started on depth psychology (or the microphysics of power to use the wanky poststructuralist term) you lose the capacity to actually engage meaningfully with other people. It's a useful perspective to adopt sometimes but if everything is about power (which in a manner of speaking it is) the possibility of rational conversation goes out of the window.

 

[durruti02]

Somone has a high opinion of themselves

(MC5 - asks the questions other people aren't capable of asking and explodes the myths other people don't dare to touch )

indeed that does seem arrogent .. tbh MC i do not find you do do that .. i just seem to see you pisstaking and on theh wind .. i wouldl welome a more consrtcutive dialogue with you

 

[audiotech]

Somone has a high opinion of themselves

Better than beating yourself up innit.

 

[audiotech]

indeed that does seem arrogent .. tbh MC i do not find you do do that .. i just seem to see you pisstaking and on theh wind .. i wouldl welome a more consrtcutive dialogue with you

Starting from now.

 

[durruti02]

Starting from now.

good

 

[audiotech]

good

bad.

 

[durruti02]

bad.

you do though sometimes make me smile unlike others on here!

 

[The Black Hand]

You are right Durutti - this is as close as most of the sects get to talking to each other!! I do not meet any political sects in my daily life, or even ex members, and so I comment politically with the thoughts I have relating to whatever struggle i want to comment on. Most I let go and do not let it concern me. I do not think a bulletin board is possible of solving the movements problems, not by a long way. For that we would need real political practice, old fashioned face to face meetings etc...

This and any other board is the same as pub talk, it is not perfectly worked out nor finished. It is good for some fun, banter, squabbles, exchanging stories, titbits etc just like down the pub... Some nights out are better than others too

 

[durruti02]

You are right Durutti - this is as close as most of the sects get to talking to each other!! I do not meet any political sects in my daily life, or even ex members, and so I comment politically with the thoughts I have relating to whatever struggle i want to comment on. Most I let go and do not let it concern me. I do not think a bulletin board is possible of solving the movements problems, not by a long way. For that we would need real political practice, old fashioned face to face meetings etc...

This and any other board is the same as pub talk, it is not perfectly worked out nor finished. It is good for some fun, banter, squabbles, exchanging stories, titbits etc just like down the pub... Some nights out are better than others too

fair play i agree with you there .. if not with all that you say on here! ( but of course we do not need to agree!)

 

[audiotech]

you do though sometimes make me smile unlike others on here!

You see, another myth dispelled. This time, that the whole of the left are somehow a set of humourless drones with their heads stuck up their own backsides, when in fact that relates to just 99 percent of 'em.

 

[Yossarian]

6) distract themselves from all the important things they should be doing?

6.

I come here to read some interesting threads and occasionally make a comment or two, but I'm not going to fool myself into thinking that farting around on the internet is any substitute for doing anything useful, and if you believe that a few dozen people chatting on an internet bulletin board will form the nucleus of a movement that's going to bring down international capitalism, then I think you're deluded.

 

[durruti02]

You see, another myth dispelled. This time, that the whole of the left are somehow a set of humourless drones with their heads stuck up their own backsides, when in fact that relates to just 99 percent of 'em.

boom boom ur on a roll :-D

 

[durruti02]

6.

I come here to read some interesting threads and occasionally make a comment or two, but I'm not going to fool myself into thinking that farting around on the internet is any substitute for doing anything useful, and if you believe that a few dozen people chatting on an internet bulletin board will form the nucleus of a movement that's going to bring down international capitalism, then I think you're deluded.

fair play but all communication has a function some where ( trying desperately to justify the large amounts of time i spend on urban ) .. and as i said their are people registered on here who you would not could not get in a room together ..

 

[JoePolitix]

You see, another myth dispelled. This time, that the whole of the left are somehow a set of humourless drones with their heads stuck up their own backsides, when in fact that relates to just 99 percent of 'em.

Someone once described me as "a proper fucking tool... [a] humourless version of MC5". I was one of the reasons he left U75 apparently. Sorry 'bout that

 

[JHE]

Someone once described me as "a proper fucking tool... [a] humourless version of MC5". I was one of the reasons he left U75 apparently. Sorry 'bout that

As I remember it, it was you who left, explaining that you were going off to make the revolution. Later, you came back, but have been very shy. You still haven't told us how the revolution went.

 

[The Black Hand]

fair play i agree with you there .. if not with all that you say on here! ( but of course we do not need to agree!)

True.

Also I think Steve Booths comment on t'other thread about relaxed drinks across boundaries, as sort of regional get togethers mulling over the big issues of the day and for the movement could be a good way to go as a start. Something not too informal though, not organised in typical slack anarchist way, but NOT over efficient like wannabe Leninists are prone to do either.

In Newcastle (apart from many working mens clubs throughout the region) I can name the Star and Shadow as a potential good venue for this sort of thing... It's got good clean toilets, bar and does food, there's a chippy down the rd and you can bring your own drinks and relax... A big problem with squatted venues is the state of the toilets which can be way below par. Seriously, I would never take my kids to some squats because of that. I also prefer the Italian squats I have seen, which do not have adolescent grafiti on the walls, and are organised in a tidy way, and have art work and nice bars and stuff...