Is the 'premier'ship......?

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

And how many opther teams have spent as much as Arsenal in the last few years? It's not very many is it?

 

[muser]

Wenger is entitled to splash the cash, how much did he get veira for, or anelka. Quality buys which paid for themselves. With the money Wenger has saved that club over the years they could afford ashburton grove. For me, he and hinddink are what a manager should be. Fergusson too if I'm being honest

Also got a soft spot for john gregory, but that is a different affair

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Wenger is entitled to splash the cash, how much did he get veira for, or anelka. Quality buys which paid for themselves. With the money Wenger has saved that club over the years they could afford ashburton grove. For me, he and hinddink are what a manager should be. Fergusson too if I'm being honest

Also got a soft spot for john gregory, but that is a different affair

That's a completely different point though isn't it? Obviously Wenger has done a great job at Arsenal, nobody is going to argue about that. He's still spent more money than all bar a very small number of other managers.

 

[muser]

That's a completely different point though isn't it? Obviously Wenger has done a great job at Arsenal, nobody is going to argue about that. He's still spent more money than all bar a very small number of other managers.

No, portsmouth, newcastle, wigan and alot more besides spend as much as he has done, if not more. It proves the point about money not necessarily equating to league position.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

No, portsmouth, newcastle, wigan and alot more besides spend as much as he has done, if not more. It proves the point about money not necessarily equating to league position.

Newcastle have spent a lot, but Portsmouth much, much less, even allowing for the end of last season, and Wigan aren't even comparable. They've just paid 5.5 million for Heskey and that was their record signing by some distance. You don't really know what you're on about do you?

 

[muser]

Newcastle have spent a lot, but Portsmouth much, much less, even allowing for the end of last season, and Wigan aren't even comparable. They've just paid 5.5 million for Heskey and that was their record signing by some distance. You don't really know what you're on about do you?

Tell me that is there only buy of the up coming season. You can't! We just spent 6 mil on bellamy and got paletta for peanuts. Aurelio is on a bosman. So as it stands Liverpool and wigan have spent roughly the same amount of money pre season. Arsenal have spent 4m on rosicky although that rises with appearances to 7m. So there you have it.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Tell me that is there only buy of the up coming season. You can't! We just spent 6 mil on bellamy and got paletta for peanuts. Aurelio is on a bosman. So as it stands Liverpool and wigan have spent roughly the same amount of money pre season. Arsenal have spent 4m on rosicky although that rises with appearances to 7m. So there you have it.

Are you serious? You actually think that makes your point?

Who said anything about the upcoming season? You've started off talking about how Wenger has achieved IN THE PAST on a 'shoe string budget' and now you're talking about what they've done in the past few weeks when no games have been played at all. It's totally, 100% irrelevant to the point.

I didn't imagine I'd actually have to argue the point. Arsenal have spent loads of money (and not just on transfers, how much is Thierry Henry on compared to anyone at Wigan?), more than anyone but a very small number of clubs. Not a shoestring budget by a long, long way. That's just a simple fact.

Your attempts at arguing otherwise by making a completely different point are quite amusingly bad though.

 

[muser]

Are you serious? You actually think that makes your point?

Who said anything about the upcoming season? You've started off talking about how Wenger has achieved IN THE PAST on a 'shoe string budget' and now you're talking about what they've done in the past few weeks when no games have been played at all. It's totally, 100% irrelevant to the point.

I didn't imagine I'd actually have to argue the point. Arsenal have spent loads of money (and not just on transfers, how much is Thierry Henry on compared to anyone at Wigan?), more than anyone but a very small number of clubs. Not a shoestring budget by a long, long way. That's just a simple fact.

Your attempts at arguing otherwise by making a completely different point are quite amusingly bad though.

When you can't answer a question, you insult the poster. A tried a test formula on these forums. I stated that Arsenal spend roughly as much as portsmouth, wigan and the like. You disagreed. I came back to prove my point. Wigan even failed to land andy johnson who they were willing to pay 8.5 for. If that doesn't address the matter in hand what does.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

When you can't answer a question, you insult the poster. A tried a test formula on these forums. I stated that Arsenal spend roughly as much as portsmouth, wigan and the like. You disagreed. I came back to prove my point. Wigan even failed to land andy johnson who they were willing to pay 8.5 for. If that doesn't address the matter in hand what does.

I haven't insulted you, I've insulted your posts. I honestly find it hard to believe that you'd actually think you'd come back and 'proved your point.'

You argued that Arsene Wenger has achieved what he has on a shoestring budget. Given that he has achieved that over a good few years to use the last few weeks as an example is ridiculous. Totally irrelevant. How many players have Wigan bought that cost as much as Henry, or Reyes, or Walcott, or Wiltord, or Gillberto, or Adebayor, or even Francis Jeffers? Not a single one. Their record signing is 5.5 million, and he's never played for them and therefore has nothing to do with how succesfult they have been. Arsenal's success has at least in part been built on years of spending far more than the likes of Wigan. That they've spent less in the last few weeks is nothing to do with it.

 

[kained&able]

I can't be arsed to reply right now but will point out that chelsea wren't really considered anything like title challengers untill abramarich came to the prem so i would sy they came from outside the top league into title contenders. As did blackburn when they won the title. Okay both teams bought it but thats the society we live in these days iu'm afraid. Talent will out but it will cost ya tp get them in your team.

Okay chelsea were uefa cup perenials under raneris regieme but i can't remember them being anything other then a good cup team under guillet or vialli.

Both teams bought the title but thats the society we live in these days i'm afraid. Talent will out but it will cost ya to get them in your team.

dave

 

[muser]

comparitively speaking we can only talk of wigan being a force in the last few years. As things stand at this moment wigan and Arsenal are in the same league, and therefore we can talk about their current spending habits. Tangerinedream made 3 points in regards to the premiership. I was discussing these before you took exception with one of my post.
Lets us not compare new boys wigan with Arsenal as you are saying Arsenal have an unfair advantage as they have been in premiership longer and therefore haven't had time to build a team capable of challenging for the title.
Let us comapre Arsenal with man u or chelsea before mourihino. Even spurs, as some spurs supporters have recently made the point that they spend on average more than Arsenal.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Let us comapre Arsenal with man u or chelsea before mourihino. Even spurs, as some spurs supporters have recently made the point that they spend on average more than Arsenal.

Er yeah. I haven't taken issue with any of that. I haven't even argued that Arsenal haven't done exceptionally well given the money they have spent. The ONLY POINT I was making was that Arsenal have been consistently among the higher spending clubs in the Premiership, certainly in the top 5 or 6, for a good ten years or so. They don't work on a shoe string.

That's all, it's a simple point and like I said I really didn't expect to have to argue it.

 

[muser]

Er yeah. I haven't taken issue with any of that. I haven't even argued that Arsenal haven't done exceptionally well given the money they have spent. The ONLY POINT I was making was that Arsenal have been consistently among the higher spending clubs in the Premiership, certainly in the top 5 or 6, for a good ten years or so. They don't work on a shoe string.

That's all, it's a simple point and like I said I really didn't expect to have to argue it.

When Wenger won the title in 98 how much did he spend on acquisitions. When you win things then you can spend accordingly. I don't dispute they haven't been in the top 5/6 spending clubs in the league. But if we carefully scrutinise by how much his spending average is above his nearest competitor I'm sure we'd agree it wasn't silly money. 3/4 mil is my estimate.

 

[CyberRose]

After watching Sheff Utd absolutely demolish Worksop Town last night, I went for option 2

 

[Balbi]

When Wenger won the title in 98 how much did he spend on acquisitions. When you win things then you can spend accordingly. I don't dispute they haven't been in the top 5/6 spending clubs in the league. But if we carefully scrutinise by how much his spending average is above his nearest competitor I'm sure we'd agree it wasn't silly money. 3/4 mil is my estimate.

couple of issues here - the transfer market in 98 was vastly less inflated than it is now (Anelka to Real Madrid being the exception to this). That 3/4 million quid went a hell of a lot further than it would now, when you'd just about be able to afford a stud off Damien Duffs left boot.

 

[rorymac]

I give this thread 8 marks out of a possible 10 .. I have nothing to say and yet I can't stop posting on her !
The next post can only be better also

 

[muser]

couple of issues here - the transfer market in 98 was vastly less inflated than it is now (Anelka to Real Madrid being the exception to this). That 3/4 million quid went a hell of a lot further than it would now, when you'd just about be able to afford a stud off Damien Duffs left boot.

Damien duff isn't a 17m player, but as soon as chelsea come calling he is. Same with SWP, 23m? If you're chelsea he is. 3m is what jason roberts cost blackburn and he was the second highest scorer in the premiership last season.

 

[zed]

I agree but for one thing - I don't mind chelsea per se, I just think they are like a gross caracature of every other big club and it makes me laugh when fans of big teams moan about them 'buying success' and being 'unsporting' - the day the ink dried on the premier league tv deal in 1993 all big clubs lost their right to moan about 'sporting' behaviour.

Yeah ...you're probably right.

 

[kained&able]

3m is what jason roberts cost blackburn and he was the second highest scorer in the premiership last season.

err what???? you'll notice ruud in 2nd and roberts in 29th. or do you mean wigans 2nd top scorer. Even so he did fuck all! Esepcilly baring in mind mido is worth 3.5 and collins john was subject to a bid for about the same.

1 Thierry Henry 27 Arsenal
2 Ruud van Nistelrooy 21 Manchester United
3 Darren Bent 18 Charlton Athletic
4 Frank Lampard 16 Chelsea
5 Wayne Rooney 16 Manchester United
6 Robbie Keane 16 Tottenham
7 Marlon Harewood 14 West Ham
8 Yakubu Aiyegbeni 13 Middlesbrough
9 Craig Bellamy 13 Blackburn Rovers
10 Didier Drogba 12 Chelsea
11 Henri Camara 12 Wigan Athletic
12 Mido 11 Tottenham
13 Collins John 11 Fulham
14 Steven Gerrard 10 Liverpool
15 Hernán Crespo 10 Chelsea
16 James Beattie 10 Everton
17 Alan Shearer 10 Newcastle United
18 Kevin Nolan 9 Bolton
19 Shola Ameobi 9 Newcastle United
20 Andy Cole 9 Manchester City
21 Brian McBride 9 Fulham
22 Jerrel Hasselbaink 9 Middlesbrough
23 Jermain Defoe 9 Tottenham
24 Cristiano Ronaldo 9 Manchester United
25 Morten Gamst Pedersen 9 Blackburn Rovers
26 Djibril Cissé 9 Liverpool
27 Stelios Giannakopoulos 9 Bolton
28 Luke Moore 8 Aston Villa
29 Jason Roberts 8 Wigan Athletic


dave

 

[strung out]

The FA should slow the game down like they do on the continent.

I think this complete load of toss was lost in the above posts.

Just... what???

 

[kained&able]

Fuck i missed that as well. Hell no! The thing that makes the prem unique is the speed that it is played at. Its great that lazy south americans(veron!) can't do anything in this league.


dave

 

[muser]

err what???? you'll notice ruud in 2nd and roberts in 29th. or do you mean wigans 2nd top scorer. Even so he did fuck all! Esepcilly baring in mind mido is worth 3.5 and collins john was subject to a bid for about the same.

1 Thierry Henry 27 Arsenal
2 Ruud van Nistelrooy 21 Manchester United
3 Darren Bent 18 Charlton Athletic
4 Frank Lampard 16 Chelsea
5 Wayne Rooney 16 Manchester United
6 Robbie Keane 16 Tottenham
7 Marlon Harewood 14 West Ham
8 Yakubu Aiyegbeni 13 Middlesbrough
9 Craig Bellamy 13 Blackburn Rovers
10 Didier Drogba 12 Chelsea
11 Henri Camara 12 Wigan Athletic
12 Mido 11 Tottenham
13 Collins John 11 Fulham
14 Steven Gerrard 10 Liverpool
15 Hernán Crespo 10 Chelsea
16 James Beattie 10 Everton
17 Alan Shearer 10 Newcastle United
18 Kevin Nolan 9 Bolton
19 Shola Ameobi 9 Newcastle United
20 Andy Cole 9 Manchester City
21 Brian McBride 9 Fulham
22 Jerrel Hasselbaink 9 Middlesbrough
23 Jermain Defoe 9 Tottenham
24 Cristiano Ronaldo 9 Manchester United
25 Morten Gamst Pedersen 9 Blackburn Rovers
26 Djibril Cissé 9 Liverpool
27 Stelios Giannakopoulos 9 Bolton
28 Luke Moore 8 Aston Villa
29 Jason Roberts 8 Wigan Athletic


dave

2004/5 season

 

[Balbi]

2004/5 season

Roberts was in the CHAMPIONSHIP in that season. Teddy screamed in a billion in that league. FFS muser - you're impossible to argue with because you keep moving the goalposts.

 

[Balbi]

And he was BOBBINS for WBA and his loan spell at Pompey in the prem

 

[muser]

Fuck i missed that as well. Hell no! The thing that makes the prem unique is the speed that it is played at. Its great that lazy south americans(veron!) can't do anything in this league.


dave

Veron is a cheap swipe. When owen hargreaves was interviewed he said the difference between germany sides and english ones is that the pace is slightly slower in favour of accuracy\efficiency.

 

[muser]

Roberts was in the CHAMPIONSHIP in that season. Teddy screamed in a billion in that league. FFS muser - you're impossible to argue with because you keep moving the goalposts.

I got the info on that one hurriedly and didn't check the year in which he put in 21 goals. You are pulling me up on a statistical error, not my main point.

 

[muser]

My original point was this: the premiership is no different from any other league, it needs the corporate investment if the game is to progress. The opposing view was to enforce some kind of salary cap or distribute the tv money more accordingly. Which in my opinion would be to roll back the league 20 years. There will be more teams vying for the title but those teams will be billy no good.

 

[tangerinedream]

My original point was this: the premiership is no different from any other league, it needs the corporate investment if the game is to progress. The opposing view was to enforce some kind of salary cap or distribute the tv money more accordingly. Which in my opinion would be to roll back the league 20 years. There will be more teams vying for the title but those teams will be billy no good.

So therefore it is esentially somekind of cartel in which the rich get richer, especially the especially rich?

Thanks for confirming that for me.

 

[CyberRose]

So therefore it is esentially somekind of cartel in which the rich get richer, especially the especially rich?

Thanks for confirming that for me.

And my Dad when his shares in Sheff Utd sky rocket! Come on!!!

 

[tangerinedream]

And my Dad when his shares in Sheff Utd sky rocket! Come on!!!

Away with ye! Your on the dark side now....

No, glad to see Bramhall Lane back in the top flight, great atmosphere always.