Is the North more racially segregated than the South?

[Johnny Canuck3]

well it depends what you mean by segregation. The UK is in many ways more segregated than North America. But also vice versa

That's more than a little bit confusing.

 

[mentalchik]

I don't know about segragation but my sister lives in Staffordshire and her mixed race daughter gets stares and the sort of name calling that i associate with times past......

 

[Mallard]

South London's the most segregated place I've lived in or visited (Plumstead/Woolwich) compared to say Manchester. I also surprised when I visited pubs in Brixton a couple of months ago (The Beehive was 98% black The Albert 98% white). Having said this, I'll only go to London 3/4 times a year and areas vary immensley. Some Lancs milltowns are very segregated to be fair.

 

[Belushi]

South London's the most segregated place I've lived in or visited (Plumstead/Woolwich) compared to say Manchester.

Yeah, I used to live in Woolwich and in Plumstead and it is prety segregated, other parts of South London are very different.

 

[Mallard]

Yeah, I used to live in Woolwich and in Plumstead and it is prety segregated, other parts of South London are very different.

I imagine they are. I can only cooment on where I've lived tbh. Parts of East/North London where mates live are very different as well.

 

[Belushi]

Somebody's been telling me porkies. On an earlier thread, it was widely denied that segregation exists in the UK.

It's less segregated than many countries, but there is a problem in some places, in particular the Northern Mill Towns.

Do they usually say porkies in Canada or have you been spending too much time on U75?

 

[Belushi]

I imagine they are. I can only cooment on where I've lived tbh. Parts of East/North London where mates live are very different as well.

Part fo the problem with the Woolwich/Plumstead neighbourhood is that it was very white until very recently and theres been a large influx of Somali refugees.

 

[Roadkill]

I don't know about Plumstead, but I was under the impression that Woolwich has had a substantial black population for a long time...?

 

[Roadkill]

I do like threads about the North. Always good for a laugh

Says someone from Scumhampton.

 

[Belushi]

I don't know about Plumstead, but I was under the impression that Woolwich has had a substantial black population for a long time...?

There have been some black people there for a long time but IME theres been a considerable increase in the past ten years or so.

 

[Roadkill]

Doesn't surprise me much: it's a poor and comparatively inexpensive end of London, so no wonder a lot of refugees end up there.

It's a complete shithole as well, but let's not go there.

 

[Belushi]

It's a complete shithole as well, but let's not go there.

You dont need to tell me, I lived there for five years!

 

[Orang Utan]

Woolwich is the shittiest place I've ever lived for sure

 

[Roadkill]

Hmm, well, Charlton turns into Woolwich at the end of my road so I can kind of sympathise.

 

[Belushi]

Hmm, well, Charlton turns into Woolwich at the end of my road so I can kind of sympathise.

Charlton is a boring old neighbourhood.

 

[Roadkill]

Charlton is a boring old neighbourhood.

It's peaceable enough (well, except around the stadium when Athletic lose, which is most of the time), and it's handy for work. I don't like it much, but then I don't like London much full stop. It's just somewhere to live for now.

 

[Orang Utan]

That tosser from Hale and Pace lives there and so does Gary Bushell. Nuff said.

 

[Spion]

The UK is in many ways more segregated than North America. But also vice versa

My impression of the US is that it's segregated below a certain income level and mixed above.

And where the US *is* segregated it seems far deeper a division than in the UK, in that there are places you don't go if you're the wrong colour

 

[Orang Utan]

My impression of the US is that it's segregated below a certain income level and mixed above.

And where the US *is* segregated it seems far deeper a division than in the UK, in that there are places you don't go if you're the wrong colour

That's exactly what I was getting at! Thanks!

 

[Roadkill]

My impression of the US is that it's segregated below a certain income level and mixed above.

And where the US *is* segregated it seems far deeper a division than in the UK, in that there are places you don't go if you're the wrong colour

Hmm. I think the UK is more segregated above that income level than below it. Poorer areas are often the most mixed, whereas when was the last time you saw a non-white face in Harrogate? That's changing, of course, but it's still true.

That said, I can think of a few places - pubs principally - in poorer areas of several cities that I suspect anyone not white would be more or less unwelcome in.

 

[Belushi]

That said, I can think of a few places - pubs principally - in poorer areas of several cities that I suspect anyone not white would be more or less unwelcome in.

Aye, the Lord Herbert in Woolwich suddenly decided it was 'over 25s only' the night my brother and I and his black girlfriend popped in for a drink

Indian friend had a similar experience in Bognor Regis last year.

 

[mauvais]

Says someone from Scumhampton.

I'm not! I'm just tragically misplaced

Send me back to glorious Lancashire please

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

My impression of the US is that it's segregated below a certain income level and mixed above.

I think the opposite is more true. The higher the economic status of the neighborhood, the fewer blacks, hispanics etc you'll find.

 

[keicar]

Hmm. I think the UK is more segregated above that income level than below it. Poorer areas are often the most mixed, whereas when was the last time you saw a non-white face in Harrogate? That's changing, of course, but it's still true.

Yeah, I'd go with that to a certain extent. There are quite a few Asian people round here who have middle and even high incomes and they've tended to move to the edge of the area they grew up in, but no further.

The weathly rural towns of Ashbourne, Bakewell etc (and the villages around)tend to have stayed almost exclusively white.

It could, of course, be a fear of racism but perhaps Asian people don't have the desire to move to the country that many middle class Brits have?

 

[_angel_]

Hmm. I think the UK is more segregated above that income level than below it. Poorer areas are often the most mixed, whereas when was the last time you saw a non-white face in Harrogate? That's changing, of course, but it's still true.

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Moortown in Leeds where I grew up is both middle class and very racially mixed.

Harrogate may well be whiter because, for whatever reason, people have not migrated there en masse. This could be down to the fact it has always been more expensive and possibly less jobs on offer.

Cities like Leeds offered more affordable housing and plenty of jobs. Now second or third generation of immigrants can be quite comfortably off in Leeds.

 

[Spion]

I think the opposite is more true. The higher the economic status of the neighborhood, the fewer blacks, hispanics etc you'll find.

you may be right about the *higher* you go, but at some middling levels you find some mixed areas, IME. Fewer blacks and hispanics, than a 'black or hispanic area', but some. I'm thinking Santa Monica, northside Chicago or west Madison (Wi - i was there recently, hence the eg), which seem fairly mixed to me. Compare those to Southside Chicago or SC LA

 

[Spion]

It could, of course, be a fear of racism but perhaps Asian people don't have the desire to move to the country that many middle class Brits have?

Down around Brum (where I'm from originally) you do find some very big houses owned by Asians in the nearby countryside.

 

[Spion]

Harrogate may well be whiter because, for whatever reason, people have not migrated there en masse.

I was thinking about this and Harrogate or similar are fairly unusual in that there was/is no industry there and most blacks and many asians who moved to the UK went into industrial work

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

you may be right about the *higher* you go, but at some middling levels you find some mixed areas, IME. Fewer blacks and hispanics, than a 'black or hispanic area', but some. I'm thinking Santa Monica, northside Chicago or west Madison (Wi - i was there recently, hence the eg), which seem fairly mixed to me. Compare those to Southside Chicago or SC LA

I suppose, but go into the western suburbs of chicago, and it gets pretty exclusively middle class white. I haven't spent enough time in Madison to comment.

Santa Monica would be similar to the north side of chicago: yuppies and other monied types, sort of a showcase, but the white suburbs are there, to the east and northeast, like Simi Valley.

 

[Roadkill]

Moortown in Leeds where I grew up is both middle class and very racially mixed.

Harrogate may well be whiter because, for whatever reason, people have not migrated there en masse. This could be down to the fact it has always been more expensive and possibly less jobs on offer.

Cities like Leeds offered more affordable housing and plenty of jobs. Now second or third generation of immigrants can be quite comfortably off in Leeds.

Harrogate was a slightly flip example: the point I was trying to make was mainly with reference to Leicester, though it applies to plenty of other places. Twenty years ago the Asian community was largely confined in the poorer areas of the city: now the second or third generation have made their monry and are moving into the wealthier areas of the city and its environs, which were previously almost exclusively white.

It remains a fact that the poorer areas of most cities are more mixed than the wealthier. IMO it's a good thing that that is changing.