is swine flu the new al qaida...?
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teuchter
je suis teuchter
Fela fan is clearly in the pay of Them. Trying to panic the british population by telling them their government is lying to them. Just what They want. Furthermore, trying to tell us not to take the flu threat seriously to quicken the spread of the plague, which was started by Them in the first place anyway of course.
Why do you think he lives abroad eh? Think about it sheeple!
Don't say I didn't warn you!
Why do you think he lives abroad eh? Think about it sheeple!
Don't say I didn't warn you!
Meanwhile back on track after that brief excursion...
Some sobering reading in the following link which outlines the background leading up to this 'pandemic' we've been told is going to kill so many of us. For those who are planning on having one of those vaccinations when they become available, take careful note while reading this article.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14543
"The WHO is planning for the production of 4.9 billion dose, enough to inoculate a large share of the World's population. Big Pharma including Baxter, GlaxoSmithKline, Novartis, Sanofi-Aventis and AstraZeneca have signed procurement contracts with some 50 governments. (Reuters, July 16, 2009). For these companies, compulsory vaccination is a highly lucrative undertaking:
"The WHO has refused to release the Minutes of a key meeting of an advisory vaccine group "packed with executives from Baxter, Novartis and Sanofi" that recommended compulsory vaccinations in the USA, Europe and other countries against the artificial H1N1 "swine flu" virus this autumn.
In an email this morning, a WHO spokesperson claimed there are no Minutes of the meeting that took place on July 7th in which guidelines on the need for worldwide vaccinations that WH0 adopted this Monday were formulated and in which Baxter and other Pharma executives participated.
Under the International Health Regulations, WHO guidelines have a binding character on all of WHO's 194 signatory countries in the event of a pandemic emergency of the kind anticipated this autumn when the second more lethal wave of the H1N1 virus "which is bioengineered to resemble the Spanish flu virus" emerges.
In short: WHO has the authority to force everyone in those 194 countries to take a vaccine this fall at gunpoint, impose quarantines and restrict travel." (Jane Burgermeister, WHO moves forward in secrecy to accomplish forced vaccination and population agenda, Global Research, July 2009)."
Some sobering reading in the following link which outlines the background leading up to this 'pandemic' we've been told is going to kill so many of us. For those who are planning on having one of those vaccinations when they become available, take careful note while reading this article.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14543
"The WHO is planning for the production of 4.9 billion dose, enough to inoculate a large share of the World's population. Big Pharma including Baxter, GlaxoSmithKline, Novartis, Sanofi-Aventis and AstraZeneca have signed procurement contracts with some 50 governments. (Reuters, July 16, 2009). For these companies, compulsory vaccination is a highly lucrative undertaking:
"The WHO has refused to release the Minutes of a key meeting of an advisory vaccine group "packed with executives from Baxter, Novartis and Sanofi" that recommended compulsory vaccinations in the USA, Europe and other countries against the artificial H1N1 "swine flu" virus this autumn.
In an email this morning, a WHO spokesperson claimed there are no Minutes of the meeting that took place on July 7th in which guidelines on the need for worldwide vaccinations that WH0 adopted this Monday were formulated and in which Baxter and other Pharma executives participated.
Under the International Health Regulations, WHO guidelines have a binding character on all of WHO's 194 signatory countries in the event of a pandemic emergency of the kind anticipated this autumn when the second more lethal wave of the H1N1 virus "which is bioengineered to resemble the Spanish flu virus" emerges.
In short: WHO has the authority to force everyone in those 194 countries to take a vaccine this fall at gunpoint, impose quarantines and restrict travel." (Jane Burgermeister, WHO moves forward in secrecy to accomplish forced vaccination and population agenda, Global Research, July 2009)."
kyser, but is 'the problem' exactly as it has been described to us by those trustworthy leaders of ours? I started this thread to openly question what i see as fearmongering bullshit by our political and business leaders.
I've not been spouting bollocks, at least to anybody prepared to open their minds to unpalatable news and information. I"ve only been spouting bollocks to those close-minded enough to leave those plugs in their ears who find it just so much safer to just believe those in charge of our nations.
Why don't you take ten minutes of your time and read that article i've just linked to? It will be very hard for you to accuse the writer of 'spouting bollocks like this'...
Do you agree with your quoted sources that the H1N1 has been bioengineered and the World Health Organization plans to vaccinate everybody in the world at gunpoint, as part of a sinister plan to reduce the world's population?
The best protection against the H1N1 virus that has now been released and that will inevtiably become more lethal as it mutates in autumn is colloidal silver and also vitamins to strengthen the immune system, face masks and other such measures.
I filed charges with the FBI against WHO and the UN among other defendants in June. I included President Obama among the defendants because I believe the time has come to identify and isolate the core members of this international corporate criminal group which has annexed high government office in the USA, and put them in prison once and for all
OK, thank you Jane Burgermeister - or should that be Jazzz Burgermeister?
It might be timely for me to explain my thread's thesis, and i'll do it using the british population as an example:
For years we had terrorism on the mainland from the IRA. The british population's attitude towards it was exemplified even by the leaders of the time (eg thatcher: we shall never give into them, we shall carry on with our normal lives, the bombs will never cow us), in other words it did not particuarly strike any fear into us.
Suddenly 911 occurred, and this terrorist even was not even in britain. Then terrorism changed overnight, even though it was not directed at us, unlike the IRA version. Suddenly a new thinking predominated, with fear being the predominant mindset. We went from a strong nation to a cowed one, at least in popular discourse over the terrorism issue.
Fast forward to swine flu. Again, flu is totally common to british people, most of whom get it every year. It has always killed a few, almost all from the less healthy segment of society. We just dealt with it, stayed in bed, then went back to work when over it. Fear of getting flu was perhaps non-existent.
Now, that mindset in the british population has instantly changed because we have a flu with the word 'swine' in it, with a mysterious formula attached to it, and worst of all, it's been declared a 'pandemic' by that august body the UN.
The parallel should be obvious. Generate fear over something that was previously considered normal, and much of the population have their thinking shut down, their faculties overridden by fear of what might happen.
It happened over terrorism.
It's now happened over a flu bug.
For years we had terrorism on the mainland from the IRA. The british population's attitude towards it was exemplified even by the leaders of the time (eg thatcher: we shall never give into them, we shall carry on with our normal lives, the bombs will never cow us), in other words it did not particuarly strike any fear into us.
Suddenly 911 occurred, and this terrorist even was not even in britain. Then terrorism changed overnight, even though it was not directed at us, unlike the IRA version. Suddenly a new thinking predominated, with fear being the predominant mindset. We went from a strong nation to a cowed one, at least in popular discourse over the terrorism issue.
Fast forward to swine flu. Again, flu is totally common to british people, most of whom get it every year. It has always killed a few, almost all from the less healthy segment of society. We just dealt with it, stayed in bed, then went back to work when over it. Fear of getting flu was perhaps non-existent.
Now, that mindset in the british population has instantly changed because we have a flu with the word 'swine' in it, with a mysterious formula attached to it, and worst of all, it's been declared a 'pandemic' by that august body the UN.
The parallel should be obvious. Generate fear over something that was previously considered normal, and much of the population have their thinking shut down, their faculties overridden by fear of what might happen.
It happened over terrorism.
It's now happened over a flu bug.
Do you agree with your quoted sources that the H1N1 has been bioengineered and the World Health Organization plans to vaccinate everybody in the world at gunpoint, as part of a sinister plan to reduce the world's population?
The best protection against the H1N1 virus that has now been released and that will inevtiably become more lethal as it mutates in autumn is colloidal silver and also vitamins to strengthen the immune system, face masks and other such measures.
I filed charges with the FBI against WHO and the UN among other defendants in June. I included President Obama among the defendants because I believe the time has come to identify and isolate the core members of this international corporate criminal group which has annexed high government office in the USA, and put them in prison once and for all
OK, thank you Jane Burgermeister - or should that be Jazzz Burgermeister?
This type of response is somewhat typical of a limited approach to thinking things through. Find one hole in a long article, or an argument, and then the rest of it can be ignored, in the safe assumption that one thing wrong means everything is wrong.
Meanwhile, to answer your question: yes, h1n1 could well have been bio-engineered, after all such action is well and truly scientifically possible (as was the atomic bomb, which was then used by amoral people with no ethics), but i just don't know; and no, i can't see the gunpoint scenario happening really, in particular for logistical reasons. But just because i or you don't think it would happen, doesn't mean it can't theoretically happen. Closing my mind to something that seems so unlikely to me to happen, perversely helps creates the conditions where it could happen.
But judging how people volunteer for things under a cloud of fear, then i can imagine a scenario where gunpoint is simply not needed.
And, american acquaintances of mine when i questioned them how enforced vaccinations could actually happen, told me that if a kid did not get vaccinated then they would not be allowed into school...
That suddenly makes things a lot easier if we do indeed have a band of profit and money-obsessed people who can easily act in amoral non-ethical ways.
OK, thank you Jane Burgermeister - or should that be Jazzz Burgermeister?
And cheap jibes are just so much more important than retaining a healthy skepticism about, and debating, what our political and big business leaders are doing behind the gaze of the media. Or rather, how they are shaping the media output.
Are you going to have a vaccination mate? If you have/had kids, will/would you be lining up to get them vaccinated against this h1n1? And if so, on what would you base your decision?
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
You do know that 6,000-12,000 die from 'flu each winter in the UK in a non swine 'flu year? The number depends on the severity of the winter.
The modelling suggests this particularly strong strain will between double and quadrouple the usual numbers, again depending on the severity of the winter.
This really isn't about a continuuim of TERRAH!, it's an immediate and extemely rare public health issue for every country.
By all means join up the dots, but you've firstly got to identify the right dots. Look at ID cards and corporate fraud for a start, not swine 'flu.
I didn't know. It's not a lot really is it? But i fail to see how this impacts on the argument that swine flu is part of the greater effort to engineer a world in a certain way.
Why is this flu in the summer? And what do you mean by 'modelling'? And who issued those figures and how believable are they? And in any case, if those figures prove to be the case, then they ought to retroactively declare swine flu NOT a pandemic.
If you read that link i posted just above you'll find the author very much links this global pandemic with other actions, such as twat, that are designed to produce ever more power and profit in the hands of a very few. You mention joining the dots, well i started this thread to see if swine flu might be one of those dots. I think there's a strong case that it is.
ID cards is just a british issue. This flu is global.
Corporate fraud? Well, at ten bucks a vaccination, some serious money is going to be moving from taxpayers' pockets into the elites' pockets (could we call this legalised fraud?!). And they're not even going to put the vaccination through all the normal checks and balances, and nobody will be able to sue the pharma companies should the vaccination prove to be more disastrous than the flu itself.
The latter should be pause for thought, if nothing else.
And, with swine flu to worry about, terrorism is suddenly off the agenda. Pure coincidence of course!!
rioted
redundant
Depends what you mean by "effectively" really, I suppose. The number of hits on govt flu sites, the number of masks I saw on a trip to the British Museum and the number of schools shut would suggest that it has been very effective for some. Thousands die from flu EVERY year though.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
fela fan - I'm not going to do you research for you. If you want to be better informed about issues, rather than jump from one outlandish judgement to another, I'd encourage you to do more reading and less posting - that way you're ideas will gain depth, nuance and possibly even credence.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
fela - I don't need to read that link, I read the whole Jane Burgermeister story about 3 months ago, and it was as much a pile of bollocks then as it is now.
You really have no idea do you? The flu isn't 'in the summer' - it was first identified in April this year. Epidemiologists - those who map the path of infectious diseases through a population - are the ones who do the modelling. They use a wide variety of statistical models, based on estimate on infection rate, geographical patterns of infection etc etc, and from this they are able to produce data that shows how the virus will progress through a population - so far the UK predictions have been pretty much on the money both in terms of where the virus would be concentrated, and how many people will have it. 'Pandemic' is a very specific term that epidemiologists use to describe a specific level of viral presence in a given population, and H1N1 passed that point a couple of months ago.
Like I said, you have no idea what you're talking about.
At the current mortality rate swine flu will kill 4 times the number of people the 'normal' winter flu. Should it evolve into a stronger variant that rate could become even higher - and I love the way both you and fela have written off the potential deaths of up to 50,000 people in the UK alone as 'not very many'.
You really have no idea do you? The flu isn't 'in the summer' - it was first identified in April this year. Epidemiologists - those who map the path of infectious diseases through a population - are the ones who do the modelling. They use a wide variety of statistical models, based on estimate on infection rate, geographical patterns of infection etc etc, and from this they are able to produce data that shows how the virus will progress through a population - so far the UK predictions have been pretty much on the money both in terms of where the virus would be concentrated, and how many people will have it. 'Pandemic' is a very specific term that epidemiologists use to describe a specific level of viral presence in a given population, and H1N1 passed that point a couple of months ago.
Like I said, you have no idea what you're talking about.
At the current mortality rate swine flu will kill 4 times the number of people the 'normal' winter flu. Should it evolve into a stronger variant that rate could become even higher - and I love the way both you and fela have written off the potential deaths of up to 50,000 people in the UK alone as 'not very many'.
You don't need to do my research. Just carry on with your own.
You have no idea what quantity of reading i do. As for how my ideas are perceived, you ought to realise that your perception might be very different from the next person's. How you interpret them is for you, but don't confuse yours with everybody else's. My balance of reading to writing is for me to decide, as it happens i do a lot of both.
But thanks for the advice anyway, however i shall just continue in my way.
I found the burgermeister story difficult to accept too. However perhaps you do actually need to look at that link for a minute's worth of skimming to find out it's not by her, nor is hardly any of it to do with her report.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Yes, I've read the article now, and if anything it's an even bigger pile of shite than Burgermeister. Most if it is speculative, it quotes very selectively from it's source material, and makes plenty of unsubstantiated claims,
teuchter
je suis teuchter
We have some idea of its quality, however.
Well, there'll be no debate between us then. It's interesting however to note that you're 100% incorrect with this assertion of yours.
I will add, for what its worth from a man who knows nothing about what he's talking about (great debating form by the way, simply rubbishing a speaker rather than what they're speaking about), that this thread is not so much here to say it's a pandemic or not, that people ought to be worried or not, rather whether this flu thing is accidental or not.
In addition, it's interesting to note that you make no comments about how safe or otherwise these vaccinations are going to be. Which is covered in that link that you refuse to read because you've already decided it's by someone who didn't actually write the article.
How many of you are there?
You have zero idea, to claim otherwise reflects a closed mind. You're yet another person in a long line of them on urban who cannot debate the topic but instead needs to focus on rubbishing people. Pathetic really.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
What? The vaccines are going through human trials at the moment, prior to their predicted release to the public in mid-September. Until those have concluded no-one is in a position to make any comments about their safety of efficacy. And neither can the author of that article.
I was responding directly to this comment you made:
'Pandemic' has a specific definition in epidemiology. The criterea for 'pandemic' had been reached. Therefore they used the word.
But hey, don't let that put you off your rantings about how this was an engineered flu outbreak to usher in the NWO...
I was responding directly to this comment you made:
'Pandemic' has a specific definition in epidemiology. The criterea for 'pandemic' had been reached. Therefore they used the word.
But hey, don't let that put you off your rantings about how this was an engineered flu outbreak to usher in the NWO...
Oh FFS. Out come the 'closed minded' insults again, from a man who recycles the same old tired 'anti vaccine Big Pharma' nonsense from conspiracock websites and ignores those who happen to disagree with him. Once again you're making grandiose claims of what 'we' are feeling and what 'our' media is featuring, disregarding what people better placed and informed are repeatedly telling you.
Projected figures for upcoming deaths are not speculative? All the media scaremongering is not based on speculation? All the media content has been based on substantiated claims?
Oh well, at least you've read it now, but i wonder how much you reacted to it with preconceived ideas as to what you were going to read. After all, you got mixed up on the writer before you even started! I read it with an open mind, and it leaves me in two minds. Either it's pretty much as our political leaders and the UN and WHO say it is, or there are hands behind the scenes acting in criminal ways for profit and power motives. Just like twat. Hence the thread.
I've not made my mind up. You have. That's the difference. You then somehow tell my unmade up mind it doesn't know what it's talking about.
Interesting.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
He lifts about half that narrative from Burgermeister.
Right, so you haven't made your mind up, but you feel compelled to lecture others on what they are feeling and to make repeated conspiracy filled assertions about shadowy figures manipulating the crisis.
You manage to be both transparent and entirely full of shit at the same time. This self-aggrandising pose of you as some sort of deep thinking independent man is a load of shite frankly - it's clear that your agenda closely mirrors those of the conspiracy filled websites your frequent
You manage to be both transparent and entirely full of shit at the same time. This self-aggrandising pose of you as some sort of deep thinking independent man is a load of shite frankly - it's clear that your agenda closely mirrors those of the conspiracy filled websites your frequent
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Sometimes I can be bothered to debate, but when it's the same old nonsense over and over, it's a bit tiresome, and others are doing that job perfectly well on this thread anyway.
Are you a 9/11 conspiracy believer too, by the way? If you are, then that's kind of enough to tell me that you're not worth the effort. If you aren't, then you should be aware of the fact that that website you linked to is, along with its editor who wrote that article.
Trials of the vaccination are indeed happening on a voluntary basis in australia.
Pharma companies have been given exemption from being sued if things go wrong with the vaccines.
It's arguable if the criteria for a pandemic have been reached. It's not a fact as you seem to suggest.
I've made no rantings, and in my post above you'll see i've yet to make my mind up about anything, but i do of course have suspicions, as i believe any sane rational thinking person will have. Interestingly you have made your mind up that i have a position on this topic. I don't. But for you to read an entire article of quite some length, and then to write it all off as speculation, indicates more of a closed mind on the topic than mine.
I'm not a believer of anything teuchter. That is a precursor to shutting one's mind down.
As for conspiracies, they've been around forever and a day. People in power are always conspiring. Do you disagree?
I always find it interesting how people come to the conclusion i've made my mind up over these kinds of matters. I know myself very well that i can't make my mind up because i've never got all the facts and evidence at my disposal.
I also find it interesting how certain people can be in rubbishing what it is they have wrongly assumed i've made my mind up over.
Their mind is fixed, and mine is not. For that i cop a load of abuse. Well, that's up to them, but it still conforms to an interesting psychological phenomenon.
The thread had a question mark in its title, but folk seem to have missed that... such people don't like questions i guess, because for them perhaps it's more important to have a fixed and consistent position. This always rears its head when the term conspiracy fan is leveled at people.
I also find it interesting how certain people can be in rubbishing what it is they have wrongly assumed i've made my mind up over.
Their mind is fixed, and mine is not. For that i cop a load of abuse. Well, that's up to them, but it still conforms to an interesting psychological phenomenon.
The thread had a question mark in its title, but folk seem to have missed that... such people don't like questions i guess, because for them perhaps it's more important to have a fixed and consistent position. This always rears its head when the term conspiracy fan is leveled at people.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
It's not really about "believing". It's about being able to assess the relative plausibility of different contentions.
As far as swine flu is concerned, we have two suggestions:
- Swine flu appeared naturally as do most viruses
- Swine flu was engineered and deliberately released into the population to political ends.
I cannot say with 100% certainty that it's the former but having looked at the evidence, the former seems vastly more probable than the latter.
You seem to have come to a different conclusion. Reading this thread suggests that you have come to this conclusion on the basis of unreliable evidence.
By these definitions:
(1) no
(2) yes
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