Blagsta
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A few. Tavistock & Portman Clinic for a start.
Is Psycho-analysis dead?
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A few. Tavistock & Portman Clinic for a start.
littlebabyjesus
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I suppose psychoanalysis may have a value that is something akin to a placebo effect. By directing people to construct a story with which to explain themselves, it could make them feel better, even if that story is essentially arbitrary.
Blagsta
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Cassel Hospital work on psychodynamic lines as do Great Ormond Street. St Thomas' Hospital employ psychodynamic therapists. Psychodynamics is still a major school in counselling courses.
Blagsta
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Jonti
what the dormouse said
Make your freekin' mind up. If the NHS employs only a few psychoanalysts, than psychoanalyis isn't practiced much in the NHS, is it?
Sure, "psychodynamic therapy" uses various, eclectically chosen "psychoanalytic principles". But that doesn't mean it buys into the insane cult of Freudian psychoanalysis.
Blagsta
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Make your freekin' mind up. If the NHS employs only a few psychoanalysts, than psychoanalyis isn't practiced much in the NHS, is it?
Make my mind up what, Mr Defensive? I'm pointing out that it's used in a fair few NHS institutions. It's not used as much as CBT for sure. CBT is shorter term, cheaper to train people in, cheaper to implement etc. CBT is very useful for some things, but not so useful for others. Same as psychoanalytic psychotherapy.
The term psychodynamic is often used instead of psychoanalytic because of the almost irrational fury that psychoanalyis seems to provoke in people. Psychodynamic approaches are very much based around the work of Freud etc, working very much with the unconscious, transference, projection etc.
Blagsta
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See above.
Plus the term psychoanalysis is pretty much owned by the Freud Institute. You can only call yourself a psychoanalyst if you have trained with them. Everyone else has to call themselves a psychoanalytic psychotherapist or a psychodynamic psychotherapist. All approaches work with the unconscious, transference, projection, emotional containment etc.
gorski
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Leader's a good writer but remember reading one of his early pieces about psychoanalysis and physics. In it he made much of how physicists were always producing graphs and other visual concepts with bulges and holes featuring in them, nudge nudge.
Turns out his dad was a physicist at CERN.
Turns out his dad was a physicist at CERN.
gorski
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Ahaaaaaaaaaa, sooooo... why not....
So, what if we use the "right kind of terminology" - say "information" - to explain psychoanalysis and human goings on to Jonti?
Say, an orgasm would be something like "information overload" [dahlink, you're making the information gnoseologically garbled, as you're ontologically naughty, sending information overload to the processor
]...
Oedipus complex would be something like "information u-turn"... towards the ontological spring of all information [Info Ur-sprung?]...
Schizophrenia would be something like "randomly violent misplacing of the misperceived cross-exchange of information"...
Incest with a sibling maybe "crossing of paths of naturally parallel strings of information"...
Depression maybe "devaluation of information", with the accent on deflation of the information bearer?
Any help, please?
So, what if we use the "right kind of terminology" - say "information" - to explain psychoanalysis and human goings on to Jonti?
Say, an orgasm would be something like "information overload" [dahlink, you're making the information gnoseologically garbled, as you're ontologically naughty, sending information overload to the processor
]...Oedipus complex would be something like "information u-turn"... towards the ontological spring of all information [Info Ur-sprung?
]...Schizophrenia would be something like "randomly violent misplacing of the misperceived cross-exchange of information"...
Incest with a sibling maybe "crossing of paths of naturally parallel strings of information"...
Depression maybe "devaluation of information", with the accent on deflation of the information bearer?
Any help, please?
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
useless at what? Human beings have been shown to be "all but useless" in terms of our inability cope seemlessly with the pressures of contemporary capitalism. We develop all kinds of psychic symptoms - depression, anxiety, insomnia, eating disorders, self-harm that medical science can try to suppress, but is simply suppressing (often inadequately) the limit of what we are trying to do?
If we are failing to achieve the reproduction of well-adjusted subjects, shouldn't we be asking whether there is something about the task itself that is causing us to fail.
Psychoanalysis doesn't pretend to offer easy "solutions" - it seeks to enable us to live with the difficulty of having to live with questions that eren't fully answerable - without recourse to mysticism or religiosity.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Samaritans?So, what if we use the "right kind of terminology" - say "information" - to explain psychoanalysis and human goings on to Jonti?
Say, an orgasm would be something like "information overload" [dahlink, you're making the information gnoseologically garbled, as you're ontologically naughty, sending information overload to the processor
Oedipus complex would be something like "information u-turn"... towards the ontological spring of all information [Info Ur-sprung?
Schizophrenia would be something like "randomly violent misplacing of the misperceived cross-exchange of information"...
Incest with a sibling maybe "crossing of paths of naturally parallel strings of information"...
Depression maybe "devaluation of information", with the accent on deflation of the information bearer?
Any help, please?
Jonti
what the dormouse said
And very few such are employed by the NHS; if indeed the organisation seeks to employ any at all. Pretty much makes my point, thanks. Psychoanalysis is hardly used in the UK, compared to other talking cures.
It's another question entirely to what extent the other talking cures rely on Freudian theory. Of course there are common concepts and methods, but Freudian psychoanalysis, freudian theory, is almost uniquely insane and useless.
The truth of the matter turns out to be that more depends on the character and personal skills of the therapist, than on their theoretical orientation.
Blagsta
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You quite clearly haven't read anything I've written!
What a deliciously simple way of putting it.A vulgar display of social power is not offset by a smiley
cesare
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Someone, somewhere (and on an open source basis) should develop an Idiot's Guide to Self Psychotherapy.
I'm quite up for the prospect of some simple principles, set out in layman's language, for use in early symptoms of depression and the like. Paracetemol for the psyche.
I'm quite up for the prospect of some simple principles, set out in layman's language, for use in early symptoms of depression and the like. Paracetemol for the psyche.
Blagsta
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SLAM NHS trust are using it
http://www.psychotherapy.slam.nhs.uk/Default.aspx?tabid=520
http://www.psychotherapy.slam.nhs.uk/Default.aspx?tabid=520
Oh, look, it's the amateurs again...
Oh, so you have a Masters in Psychology too? I believe you are also an amateur. In fact, the whole point of this forum is for "amateurs" to discuss subjects of interest to them.
as an explanation of human behaviour it has been laughable for a while cause people don't really want to kill dad and fuck mumh
Crude Freudianism has been surpassed, but psychoanalysis is still around.
Blagsta
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as an explanation of human behaviour it has been laughable for a while cause people don't really want to kill dad and fuck mum
That's not what the oedipal complex is about really. It's about the infant realising that mum and dad have a physical relationship and that the parent's affections aren't solely for them. Our daughter (1 year old tomorrow!) gets jealous when mummy and daddy have a cuddle, she tries to push me away and latches on to mummy's breasts.
It's beyond you, 8, so never mind...
fuck off and die you arrogant cunt
Johnny Canuck3
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Citations for this research?
And considering that incest would 'intensify' positive traits as well as negative, it's not a given that incest will result in inferior offspring.
Johnny Canuck3
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Also, if there is a built in disinclination against incest, why does so much of it go on?
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