Discussion in 'theory, philosophy & history' started by Steve Booth, Aug 18, 2005.
Shit trolls TBH 0/10
You can't even troll, so you don't even get a zero. Too stupid I guess.
Thats because I wasn`t trolling genius.
Sure you weren't.
You could at least get a convincing picture
Of what? Honestly, I don't think you've posted anything that's true in the last couple of pages. Just full on rubbish.
So I was listening to the In Our Time episode on Parasites at work t'other day. They were chatting about how most parasites in humans (and in fact, most diseases) can be traced back a few thousand years to domestication of animals. Apparently a bunch of the bastards are all descended from one strain that made the leap from camels.
That made me feel all smug in my anti-agricultural ways, but then they said that we picked up the tapeworm and other nasties when we started to eat meat back on the African Savannah. Clearly our glorious anarcho-prim ancestors sold us out with their vegan edge.
This is Pete Seeger on DN a few years back, talking about the point I was making about the birth of American democracy having been taken from the indigenous consensus-based decision-making process. Oren Lyons is leader of the Onondaga tribe.
Their process of self government, wich makes them anarchist, is described here
They have consensus-based decision making and they can challenge/question coercion at any point.
They are anarco-primitivists, they are currently engaged with global capitalism alongside with and in solidarity with all indigenous and nomadic cultures fighting for their culture and environment now.
That seems quite relevant to me :/
Onondaga Leader Oren Lyons, Pete Seeger on International Day of the World’s Indigenous Peoples | Democracy Now!
Franklin browbeating his fellow landowners and slave-holders into reaching a settlement with each other, by saying that they compare poorly to the natives, isn't what I would call consensus-based decision-making.
Exactly what actual organisational praxis did the founders of American bourgeois democracy adopt from native cultures?
Are you trying to troll me? I can`t tell. If not then try reading my post before asking questions that are answered within it .
Beaver Wars - Wikipedia
I'm serious. The first paragraph you quoted shows Franklin brow-beating his fellows, and the second paragraph talks about how native people organise amongst themselves. I invite you to humour me and directly quote the passage which you think shows how American bourgeois democracy emulated the native nations at any point. You can even use bold if you like.
If you click the blue bit down the bottom you can watch a film of the interview. It might be easier to digest for you :/
Why can't you quote the relevant passage?
In fairness there is this.
It could be seen as a symbolic atonement, by the then US House and Senate members, for the treatment they've meted out to Indians over the centuries, more so than a statement of historical fact.
Plenty more links and reading here
Yeah, but Ralph Llama was going on about consensus and stuff, not the constitution.
It's a bit of a patronising truism; point I was making with that link about the "Beaver Wars" is the confederacy wasn't some talking-stick jazz hands affair; it pursued aggressive economic wars that destroyed a number of other native nations. Oh, hang on...
True, NoXion. I broadened the scope somewhat. In a wider historical sense it'd perhaps be odd if the hundreds of years of contact between invaders and natives of North America didn't teach the newcomers a thing or two about politics.
How do you do that?
Good link Unfortunately you are missing the point.
I think you are, projecting things onto a historical entity that simply weren't there.
Eh? How so?
...oh right... being inspired by consensus based decision making doesnt automaticaly turn you into a jazz-hands anarchist... Benjamine didn`t fully grasp the concept further than talking until everybody agrees(the constitution), as aposed to purpetuating tribal war.
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