Discussion in 'theory, philosophy & history' started by Steve Booth, Aug 18, 2005.
yeh. but brickies may be made redundant
It's likely we'll all be redundant sooner or later.
Wildroots – Earthskills Homestead
I’m thinking of it’s 90s heyday. Even I went thru a phase.
At some point if I can be bothered I might try and unpick some of the primitivist and anti-civ stuff mentioned on here. There's a difference between the two, and primitivism doesn't always equate to wanting to back to a gatherer hunter mode of production.
Anyway, the '90s called and wants its discussion back.
LOL the 90's
You peeps are sooooooooooo out of touch ! It`s pretty big amongst the teenage euro crust punks , so heads up
Anyway I am not anarco prim, I was just defending it against the commies Although I still hold to the notion that nomadic societies are anarco prim- certainly anti-civ (including the ones I live in)
Pikmans - The Penis Envy track was more about identity and ideology which I thought was relevant to a thread where people couldn't think outside of either Wich is your flock, who do you watch?
The work debate. I`m sure I don't need to educate anyone here on that, do I? People will be homeless and starve. I can`t see any motivation for the rich to feed the poor. The only times they do this is at sword/gunpoint.
Why would things be different now?
As for this `but work is hard` notion ..... I think this could be a class thing :/ not shure
Come on FFS. Cant you dig out somone with a fucking brain ?
The Luddites weren't primitivists. Their objection was to being put out of work, they didn't have a problem with machinery that wasn't "hurtful to commonality".
You got my hopes up !Sorry m8e topics moved on
Even a derail implies something non-primitivist like a train network.
Oh no ! I am being trolled by swapies !
Come on ! Even i`m rooting for you now.
What's the upper tech limit on primitivism?
Buttons but not poppers or zips.
Dunno, ask a primitavist
Personally, and I do have leanings, whatever is not hurtful to commonality/ social progress.
Think that led to the split after the '08 Vienna conference
Fair enough. I know pretty much nothing about primitivism.
paeleo diet and raw water.
hunter gatherer is surely a fairly miserable life in places of scarcity, back then at least. I know something made the Golden Horde angry, perhaps it was the unrelenting tundra and reliance on horsemilk curds to replace sweeties.
Sweeties give you diabetes.
I think it's likely the rich have kept the horsemilk curds for themselves.
The indigenous populations of the planet would disagree
Think the thing with hunter gatherers is it was self regulating in a time of few humans; place of scarcity and you fucked off somewhere else. When someone else is farming and claims vast tracts of land (though some pre-agricultural societies would still have ranges and boundaries with neighbours, just not so hard and fast) then you're stuck and fucked. Even then societies in pretty tough places lived pretty well.
I think this is true. It's a simplification but the people living hunter gatherer societies today are basically in environments where it's so tough that there isn't competition from pastoralists/agriculturalists. Think Greenland or the Kalahari, but also the rainforests in Borneo and Indonesia where the diets are closer in richness to post-scarcity societies than to their agriculturalist neighbours.
I'm sure I read that they have evidence that agriculture was tried in Australia pre-contact with the West (conjectured it might have been introduced by Polynesians iirc) but abandoned as it was a more miserable and less materially rewarding way of life than the one everyone had been getting along with fine for 40,000 years.
It is a little less black and white as people currently think. A lot of interesting and essential (IMO) debate can come from questioning civilisation, the reasons it implements technology, and how they market it to us.
I think that kind of thing has more to do with alienation, not just of a labourer from their fruits, but in a more general sense as well. Class society means a minority living in a very different world to most people, who also get to call the shots. High tech or no tech, an alienated society is going to be at least partially dysfunctional.
No fuck off that's when I was cool for about 6 minutes.
Indeed. I would say class is quite inherent to civilisation. The American concept of democracy was stolen from the Indigenous and their use of consensus-based decision making. Any other form of civil rights has to be fought for time and time again.
Anyone mentions velcro, I swear I'll do time
If you can find the time in your busy schedule, that would be nice.
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