Is Max Mosley a naughty boy then?

[Wilf]

It shows supremely poor taste, but again no-one's been involved in anything to which they haven't consented..

I think 'supremely poor taste' is a bit of an understatement. Its the 'deathcamps killed millions' > 'his father was the senior British Fascist' > 'he himself was in the relaunched Brtish Union of Fascists' > 'he gets his rocks off to deathcamp fantasies' set of links that is problematic.

I don't know if his political views are extreme right-wing or not.

He was once a candidate for the BUF.

Don't get me wrong, I always go with the 'consenting adults' principle in terms of rights, legalities and, usually, morals. Its just that sometimes schaudenfreude takes over

 

[Celt]

unfortunately you can't choose your parents.


I go for the privacy behind closed doors

but it made me laugh,hardly news though is it

 

[Melinda]

In the early 1980s, Mosley attempted a political career, working for the UK Conservative Party and hoping to become a parliamentary candidate. He is reported to have given up this aspiration after being unimpressed by "the calibre of senior party officials". He also felt his name would be a handicap and has since said that "If I had a completely open choice in my life, I would have chosen party politics, but because of my name, that's impossible."

Yeah, because of your 'name.' Shame that. He was 'unimpressed with the calibre of senoir party officials?' I s'pose Thatcher's 'Wets' must have seemed positively bohemian in comparison. His sense of entitlement is alarming.

His Wiki is especially benign, well benign 'considering'.

 

[Melinda]

Lol! He lost his injunction and the NotW have gone to town. http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/0904_mosley.shtml

Royally 'Pwned' it seems.

The vid isnt shit, but Death Camp prisoner uniform- *raises eyebrow*

 

[QueenOfGoths]

No, and no. What consenting adults do behind closed doors is a matter for them and is none of our business. The only exception I might make is if it was part of some sort of corruption (eg politician being bribed with prostitutes in return for favours).



It shows supremely poor taste, but again no-one's been involved in anything to which they haven't consented.



I don't know if his political views are extreme right-wing or not. Since there is no evidence that he is abusing his position in the motor racing world or using his money to finance extremism, does it really matter?



Certainly not. It's not my thing at all but I repeat what should be rule #1 of human existence - consenting adults of full capacity have the right to decide what they wish to do with their bodies.



Yes. I can't see any conceivable public interest in the reporting of this story.

More or less agree with you on all these.

I personally find the idea of Nazi themed sex extremely distatsteful and given what I have read about the mans politics he doesn't sound like the kind of person I would have a lot of, if any, time for but what he does in private is none of my business

 

[Dj TAB]

...er, that's him f*cked then....!?

 

[john x]

'he himself was in the relaunched Brtish Union of Fascists'

Well I never knew that!

I have always assumed that he was embarassed by, and distanced himself from his father's politics. A quick bit of research and I find out thet his is/was an nazi too!

Fuck him!

john x

 

[Melinda]

Well I never knew that!

I have always assumed that he was embarassed by, and distanced himself from his father's politics. A quick bit of research and I find out thet his is/was an nazi too!

Fuck him!

john x

This!^^^

 

[Ceej]

Just very, very distaseful. Consenting adults, maybe, but your man is clearly Mr Dodgy-as-hell, from Dodgy Street, Dodgyville.

Only consolation is that his cred, street or otherwise, is shot to bits. At best he's a figure of ridicule, at worst an exploitative Nazi thug.

 

[untethered]

In a decent society, the prostitution (buying and selling) would be illegal, making the video would be illegal, publishing the video would be illegal and the first (but not the last) moral consideration of decent citizens would be the fact that this man has clearly been unfaithful to his wife.

Of course, we don't live in a decent society. I have little confidence that the actions of the News of the World are bringing us closer to one.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

In a decent society, the prostitution (buying and selling) would be illegal, making the video would be illegal, publishing the video would be illegal and the first (but not the last) moral consideration of decent citizens would be the fact that this man has clearly been unfaithful to his wife.

Of course, we don't live in a decent society. I have little confidence that the actions of the News of the World are bringing us closer to one.

You seem to have a very censorious attitude to human sexuality. I know I can come over a bit 'right of centre' on here but you are not taking in to account how peoples experiences play a part in shaping their sexuality.

Having Oswald Mosely for a father may well make you want to explore the very dark sides of what his dad was involved in.

 

[untethered]

You seem to have a very censorious attitude to human sexuality. I know I can come over a bit 'right of centre' on here but you are not taking in to account how peoples experiences play a part in shaping their sexuality.

Mr Mosley can have as much human sexuality as he likes with Mrs Mosley in the privacy and comfort of their marital home.

Having Oswald Mosely for a father may well make you want to explore the very dark sides of what his dad was involved in.

Maybe it does. But he shouldn't do it, should he?

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Mr Mosley can have as much human sexuality as he likes with Mrs Mosley in the privacy and comfort of their marital home.

Human sexuality isn't as simple as monogamy. Trying to force people into monogamy just means that some people will have secondary relationships and not be open about it. Most of the lies and the deception and trouble around relationships are becuase we have the idea that monogamy is the be all and end all of intimate relations.

Maybe it does. But he shouldn't do it, should he?

I feel a bit of distaste about MM dressing up as a concentration camp inmate but so much of what other people do in sex is distasteful to somebody somewhere.

I feel no desire to hammer a nail through my cock but I know of people who get off on this.

Humans have a right to do what they want to their own bodies and to make informed consent to do so.

 

[untethered]

Human sexuality isn't as simple as monogamy. Trying to force people into monogamy just means that some people will have secondary relationships and not be open about it. Most of the lies and the deception and trouble around relationships are becuase we have the idea that monogamy is the be all and end all of intimate relations.

This man has made a permanent and public commitment to his marriage to his wife. If he values that and all the good things that flow from it (for the rest of society, not just his own family) then he should put those considerations before his transient lust.

I feel a bit of distaste about MM dressing up as a concentration camp inmate but so much of what other people do in sex is distasteful to somebody somewhere.

Well we know it was hardly a loving and respectful encounter given that it involved a fundamental deception of his wife of over 40 years. Beyond that I wouldn't be surprised at anything.

I feel no desire to hammer a nail through my cock but I know of people who get off on this.

If you don't have an opinion on this you probably have a bigger problem than the genital carpenters themselves.

Humans have a right to do what they want to their own bodies and to make informed consent to do so.

No such thing as society, then?

 

[scifisam]

This man has made a permanent and public commitment to his marriage to his wife. If he values that and all the good things that flow from it (for the rest of society, not just his own family) then he should put those considerations before his transient lust.

Not all marriages are monogamous. None of us know what this bloke and his wife have agreed is acceptable.

Well we know it was hardly a loving and respectful encounter given that it involved a fundamental deception of his wife of over 40 years. Beyond that I wouldn't be surprised at anything.

I don't think this was ever meant to be a loving and respectful encounter. That was kinda the point of it.

No such thing as society, then?

Society != monogamous marriage.

To be honest, given his background, this does sound really bloody dodgy. But he's spoken out against racism recently, and doesn't seem to persecuate Jews on an active basis. What he does for sexual kicks is nobody's business but his, and the people who do it with him.

The shame should, really, fall on the paper that decided to expose this. Expose real racism, anti-semitism and bigotry, not what people do to in their own bedrooms - or someone else's dungeon.

Of course, sex is what sells, so it's understandable that they did this ('understandable' does not mean 'right') - but it is still an invasion of privacy and not justified in terms of public interest. I'm not sure if that will be the legal position, but it is my own opinion, based on my principles.

 

[dpc]

in short, he's not a naughty boy but a very stupid one. He's an ex-barrister and now a very prominent executive in one of the highest-grossing sports in the world. yes, i agree, in an ideal world, 'what goes on behind closed doors is his business'...i would rather not have known what sort of stuff he got up to. however, Max Mosley is a 'professional', if you know what i mean. media scrutiny and sometimes downright skull-duggery is part of his life, unfortunately. he needs the media to do him favours. so they reserve the right to catch him having favour done for him (ha). and round and round and round we go.

 

[likesfish]

bwhahahahaha
funny as feck he's toast bwhahahahaah

 

[Thraex]

The twat's a complete scumbag, I'm pleased he's finding this uncomfortable, but would prefer him dead, having died a very drawn out and painfull death. F'in' nazi/rich bastards hang 'em all.

 

[London_Calling]

Still unclear, why is it any of my business and why should I have an opinion on a private matter?

 

[Bakunin]

you can be sure some of his doubloons are somewhat stained...

I hate to think what with.

 

[Red Faction]

so he can afford to go frolicking in a sex dungeon

i think all this uproar is from people who are jealous

 

[Eva Luna]

Recently read a bio of a South American prostitute - list of do's and dont's for wives at the back - one of which was to do with fantasties - if you're not doing them together, you're doing them elsewhere. She had lots of respctable married men come through asking for this or that which they felt unable to ask their partner for.

In this case, a man who likes Nazi punishment first from women, and then actually gets off on giving it back............well it doesn't take Freud does it? Wonder what his household was like, and where the power was wielded, shifted to, and ended up?

I think he should be allowed to do whatever he wants in the bedroom. I think he is acting out something that he needs to do. It would be better if he did not have it to act out, and that he could act it out more safely, and it would be better if working your shit out was considered more normal, so that it could have been dealt with sooner and more appropriately. imo anyway.

But the counting made me laugh! Einz, swei, drei!!!! I really can't imagine doing that at all!!!

 

[untethered]

so he can afford to go frolicking in a sex dungeon

i think all this uproar is from people who are jealous

I don't imagine many people are jealous of his wife.

Do they have children?

 

[aylee]

Mr Mosley can have as much human sexuality as he likes with Mrs Mosley in the privacy and comfort of their marital home.

Who are you to tell him what he can and can't do?

Maybe it does. But he shouldn't do it, should he?

Who are you to tell him what he can and can't do?

This man has made a permanent and public commitment to his marriage to his wife. If he values that and all the good things that flow from it (for the rest of society, not just his own family) then he should put those considerations before his transient lust.

Who are you to judge him?

Well we know it was hardly a loving and respectful encounter given that it involved a fundamental deception of his wife of over 40 years. Beyond that I wouldn't be surprised at anything.

Who are you to judge him?

No such thing as society, then?

It's always interesting, the way that reactionaries like to throw that Thatcher quote back at those who suggest that the state has no business regulating the private lives of consenting adults of full capacity.

Untethered's shock-horror primness embodies a great deal that's wrong about the British attitude towards sexuality .... the belief that it's our right to know about the private lives of others and expect them to conform to some norm. It makes me want to vomit, far more than Mosley's behaviour.

 

[Eva Luna]

Hear hear!!!

 

[Cloo]

Just found out a mate of mine, but for it not fitting in her schedule, might have been one of the girls there and knows most of the girls who were! She's certainly not a hooker (just makes good money on the side from spanking scenarios, no sex) and neither are the other girls, I imagine. I remember thinking when I read the story and saw the girls described as prostitutes 'I bet they're not, I bet they're girls like my mate J'. Although as gsv pointed out, the tabs wouldn't really see there as being a difference.

Anyway, she says her mates said the 'Nazi' stuff was bollocks. Haven't seen the videos, so can't comment myself, but did suspect it was a sensationalist spin on the use of German in the scenario.

 

[Louloubelle]

Turns out that the main dominatrix involved was the wife of a serving MI5 officer who has now resigned.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3953837.ece



Perhaps Mosley's claims of being set up by an organisation involved in surveillance were true after all?

 

[Dj TAB]

Bump

Now that Mr Mosely is suing the NOTW for invasion of privacy, it's all coming out of the woodwork.

I'm not sure if I believe that there was no Nazi-esque theme, I certainly wouldn't raise an eyebrow if there was given the game being played... It's a valid point that German/Nazi can be the same thing within areas of British culture, and that NOTW are probably guilty of perpetuating that...

I'm pleased he's not trying to deny it, although that would be pretty stupid given the evidence collected.

His wife of 45 years must be mortified, confused, disappointed, surprised and more all at the same time....

I'm still out with the jury on whether the world needed to know about MM's dark desires....

*continues watching coverage with interest*

 

[DotCommunist]

This whole story is a quintessentially English farce

 

[Dj TAB]

This whole story is a quintessentially English farce

Perhaps in a few years Hugh Grant could star in a film of this farce... Any suggestions on Dominatrixes A to E??